How To Connect Guitar Rig 3 in PT8?

[asimmd]

Hi Guys

Sorry for the question but I am going mad trying to get this to work.

I have put GR3 on an Instrument track or used it as a Plug-In,and it dosen't sound right.

When I arm the track to record,I hear it,when I press record,it goes off.

Aaaaarggggh,please tell me the correct way to use this.

Interface is Profire 610

Thanks

Alan

[TrevCircleStudios]

Why are you putting it on an instrument track? Unless I'm missing something and it's a midi controlled plugin of some kind it should be on an audio track.

[asimmd]

Hi Trev

I have put it on an Audio track and it sounds like I am playing in the bath,even though I have no reverb connected.

I have tried the same thing in Sonar and it works fine but I want it to work in PT.I think it's something to do with the mixer software of the Profire but,I haven't sussed it out yet,it's driving me crazy.

Alan

[I_Am_Bic_Pentameter]

Originally Posted by asimmd

Hi Trev

I have put it on an Audio track and it sounds like I am playing in the bath,even though I have no reverb connected.

I have tried the same thing in Sonar and it works fine but I want it to work in PT.I think it's something to do with the mixer software of the Profire but,I haven't sussed it out yet,it's driving me crazy.

Alan

The mixer on the Profire 610 runs parallel to your soundcard - it doesn't alter anything in the host sequencer - it's for monitoring only. You basically just want the faders up on the tracks you want to hear. It does set buffers and sample rate for Asio - certainly in Sonar

[TrevCircleStudios]

Originally Posted by asimmd

Hi Trev

I have put it on an Audio track and it sounds like I am playing in the bath,even though I have no reverb connected.

I have tried the same thing in Sonar and it works fine but I want it to work in PT.I think it's something to do with the mixer software of the Profire but,I haven't sussed it out yet,it's driving me crazy.

Alan

can you do a screen shot of PT and post it here?

[asimmd]

I think my main problem is that I am trying not to use my mixer,everyone say's I should try to mix internally,so thet's what I am trying to do.

I'll try again from the beginning and come back if I am still stuck.

Thanks

Alan

[ecc83]

"I think my main problem is that I am trying not to use my mixer,"

I despair sometimes at peeps logic!

I mean, ok, Luton Girls Choir on £20,000 mics into £20,000 pres', don't route THAT thru' a $200 Mackie.

But sounds that have been bent out of shape by a GR3!

But then maybe I am too old for this game, time I hung up me solder iron!

Dave.

[TrevCircleStudios]

Originally Posted by ecc83

But then maybe I am too old for this game, time I hung up me solder iron!

Dave.

hmm...

[asimmd]

Well Dave,

My sounds are not bent out of shape by GR3,or anything else, I only use Clean sounds, I can't stand distortion.

I wanted to try GR3 for the Vox emulations,AC15/AC30.

I don't have a £200 Mackie either.

I have not been using Pro Tools for long,and as such I am still learning,I come here to ask questions of people who have used PT a lot longer than I have,and are usually very helpful.

I don't mind if you wish to pour scorn on my questions,think back to when you were new to something and didn't have all the answers.

Maybe I should think twice before asking questions here but there again,if we were all as perfect as Dave,there wouldn't be any need for the forum,would there?

And just for your edification,I am 61.

Alan

[TrevCircleStudios]

Originally Posted by asimmd

Well Dave,

My sounds are not bent out of shape by GR3,or anything else, I only use Clean sounds, I can't stand distortion.

I wanted to try GR3 for the Vox emulations,AC15/AC30.

I don't have a £200 Mackie either.

I have not been using Pro Tools for long,and as such I am still learning,I come here to ask questions of people who have used PT a lot longer than I have,and are usually very helpful.

I don't mind if you wish to pour scorn on my questions,think back to when you were new to something and didn't have all the answers.

Maybe I should think twice before asking questions here but there again,if we were all as perfect as Dave,there wouldn't be any need for the forum,would there?

And just for your edification,I am 61.

Alan

Hey Alan

I'm sure dave didnt mean to pour scorn on your question. He and I have a long running battle on this kind of thing. He prefers spec sheets, I prefer to use my ears about what sounds good.

This is a great place to get info but we do need more from you about exactly how you've got all this connected up and what exactly you mean so that we can try to help you get to the point that your gear is working and you are happy.

If you could explain your whole set up and give us the info I refer to above and explain what you mean about using a mixer I'm sure we'll be able to get you there. I'm sure you'll understand though that it's tough to troubleshoot from a distance without the all the info.

Cheers
Trev

[asimmd]

Trev,I am not getting upset about this,nor did I wish to upset Dave.

It seems that whenever I try to do something different,someone say's "Oh,you shouldn't do it like that".

When I got Pro Tools M-Powered,I needed a new interface as my old one worked but was not supported.
I chose a Profire 610 because it had the outputs that I could connect to my mixer as I had done with my old card.

The Profire 610 works fine with Sonar 8,which I shall continue to use.

I have got a little closer to sorting the problem out,I think it's a matter of choosing the right routing in PT8

My current signal chain is as follows.

Guitar (Custom Shop Strat Dave.LOL)goes into Vox Tonelab - output from tonelab goes into Zoom 2200 -L/R output from 2200 goes into into the Line Inputs on the rear of the Profire.
The 8 Analogue outputs go to the 4 stereo input pairs on my Soundcraft M4 Mixer.
In Pro Tools,I need to choose the correct routing,which is where I think I was going wrong.

I have a pre-mixed stereo backing track which I put in track 1 in PT8.
Create an Audio track for my guitar,now the problems start.

I can't hear what I play until I arm the track,and it sounds OK.
When I hit Play and Record,it sounds awful.

Track settings for the backing track are
Input 1/2 - Output 1/2

Guitar Track Settings
Input 3/4
Output 5/6

Apart from the volume being a bit low,this seems to be OK

I used to have the following

Backing Track

Input 1/2
Output 1/2

Guitar Track

Input 1/2
Output 1/2

That sounded awful,I think I was somehow creating a feedback loop internally,it sounded terrible.

If with this info you can come up with a different solution I would be grateful.

By the way,I already tried the front inputs L/R but this way seems to work,for now.

Thanks for your patience.

Alan

[ecc83]

Well I am sorry Asimmd if I upset you but the juxtaposition of ...

No "nasty" sound colouring mixer and a guitar processing app just set me off!

I have no knowledge of PT so I am sorry I cannot help you further (unless the amp breaks!).

Funny thing is I have just bought Music tech mag with a GR3 freebie on it (don't really need it, I am a sucker for such things!) and do you THINK I can get it activated!

Apologies once again, rock on,
Dave.

[asimmd]

Hi Dave

No-you didn't upset me.

Nothing quite like a bit of friendly banter to help cleanse the soul.LOL

Ah,Music Tech,I bought the special edition on Pro Tools with the best will in the world to read it cover to cover,never got past page 2/3.

Much prefer the hands on approach,with a clean sound of course.

Long live Hank Marvin,Oooops

Have a nice day.

Alan

[I_Am_Bic_Pentameter]

Originally Posted by asimmd

And just for your edification,I am 61.

Could the problem be that it's picking up interference from your zimmer frame?

[I_Am_Bic_Pentameter]

I would run guitar rig 3 in standalone. This requires you to set it up and apparently that makes it work correctly as a plug-in, otherwise it can be hit and miss.

If you get no joy here, go on to the cakewalk forum and post about it on the 'software' page, stating it works in Sonar but not in PT.

There is a NI rep there called 'ew' who answers every NI question that appears and he may be able to help, although I don't know if he uses PT.