latency question for mpowered 7.4

[bluebearddub]

i recently had to reistall mine, never had any issues with it before, now its terrible, whats the best setting for this, i had 90% cpu power and the suggested settings up to scratch. its ruining it for me, never had this with cubase, may change to logic if i get a mac in the future if its gonna be this tempremental.

[TrevCircleStudios]

Originally Posted by bluebearddub

i recently had to reistall mine, never had any issues with it before, now its terrible, whats the best setting for this, i had 90% cpu power and the suggested settings up to scratch. its ruining it for me, never had this with cubase, may change to logic if i get a mac in the future if its gonna be this tempremental.

say what you like about PT but get it setup right and it's the least temperamental of all DAWs. Are you running a mac? how is it set up?

[bluebearddub]

this is part of it trev, i had it set up running with no problems for 4 mnts, had to reinstall it after ie 8 crashed the hell out of it and im still struggling and juggling with latency settings, and i cant even get the dam midi click to work you know how you want a pre count of 1 bar, well mine doesnt want to do it, even though i set it in up in the pre count midi click settings, it just goes straight to record,
i always had a monthly template set up for my work , ive done some more but it hard remembering every little detail , i suppose its trial and error, im runninng it on a pc. my audio interface is usb , i know this is an issue for latency but this is just sucking the fun out of it for me atm.

[TrevCircleStudios]

Originally Posted by bluebearddub

this is part of it trev, i had it set up running with no problems for 4 mnts, had to reinstall it after ie 8 crashed the hell out of it and im still struggling and juggling with latency settings, and i cant even get the dam midi click to work you know how you want a pre count of 1 bar, well mine doesnt want to do it, even though i set it in up in the pre count midi click settings, it just goes straight to record,
i always had a monthly template set up for my work , ive done some more but it hard remembering every little detail , i suppose its trial and error, im runninng it on a pc. my audio interface is usb , i know this is an issue for latency but this is just sucking the fun out of it for me atm.

I stopped using PC quite a long time back so a bit rusty and have never even seen PT8 so bear with me here... from memory for PT on a native system you need to:

go to "setup> playback engine" and then set the CPU to the highest your system will allow. If you mac is multicore set rtas processing to an odd number. HW buffer size is trial an error (and will change with the load on the system). start low and keep raising it slightly until you find the point you dont get a wheel of death. Dont click the erros box (ever). I dont think you have a 'voices' dropdown on m-owered, right?

In respect of your midi click... I rarely use midi so cant remember of the top of my head. Start by going 'setup>prefs>midi and make sure there is nothing checked there that shouldnt be. After that open the transport window, click on the conductor and make sure he is setup right.

If none of this works...T3 may have more midi focussed ideas on this as he does a lot more itb stuff than me! Hope this helps!

[sureno]

Originally Posted by TrevCircleStudios

say what you like about PT but get it setup right and it's the least temperamental of all DAWs. Are you running a mac? how is it set up?

cant speak for HD but i find logic the most stable then PTle

[sureno]

sorry to refer to another forum but this thread is a must read

[bluebearddub]

Originally Posted by sureno

sorry to refer to another forum but this thread is a must read

cheers lads, thanks for the replys, sureno, a mate of mine is has me nearly convinced that when i change to a mac i should change to logic, and im 90% agreed with him, its just the leap to the unknown that scares me

[sureno]

Originally Posted by bluebearddub

cheers lads, thanks for the replys, sureno, a mate of mine is has me nearly convinced that when i change to a mac i should change to logic, and im 90% agreed with him, its just the leap to the unknown that scares me

put it this way what ever you are on or want to be on will be sooo much better on a mac

[TrevCircleStudios]

Originally Posted by sureno

sorry to refer to another forum but this thread is a must read

That's too good not to be plagiarised!

Troubleshooting Pro Tools issues is typically done by process of elimination - start with the simple things first, then move on depending on the results you're getting.

For problems regarding registration and installation:

Pro Tools Technical Support, Registration and Setup Videos

These videos have information on the following topics:

Product Registration
Technical Support - Searching Answerbase and getting answers to your questions
Pro Tools System Compatibility - How to determine if your system is compatible
Mbox 2 family - Information on what's in the box
Authorizing Ignition Pack 2

If you are getting an error in Pro Tools, the first step would be to search both the DUC and the Answerbase for the error number(s) you're getting, as a vast majority of errors have solutions already. Make sure to remove the minus sign (-) from in front of the error number during you're search, as a minus sign in a search field means you want to exclude the following term from the search.

If you are experiencing a particular technical issue that does not include an error number, try searching the Answerbase and DUC by key words that are related to your problem. Try a few different, related terms to see if they produce better search results. Use the Advanced Search on the DUC to narrow or expand your search results. For general 'assertion', 'neoaccess' or 'neoassertion' errors, see below for a possible solution, then do a search for the last few sections of the error if the presented solution does not help.

If you are experiencing random, unexplained issues on a system that was previously working well is to trash preference and database files.

Compatibility:

- Verify your computer is supported and that your system meets all of the minimum requirements. You can find compatibility information (processors, chipsets, hard drives, operating systems, requirements, etc.) in the Support section of the website:
http://www.digidesign.com/support

Choose from the product list for compatibility information, and click on the links in the compatibility section for each product for additional information.

Verify that you have the Minimum/Suggested amount of RAM installed in your system. You can find this information in Control Panel > System > General. It is recommended that you have a minimum of 1GB of RAM installed and that the best performance reported has been with 2GB or more, especially when using virtual instruments/software synths/samplers.

IMPORTANT! You MUST use a secondary hard drive (not your main OS drive) for recording and playback of audio in Pro Tools. Recording or playback from the OS drive is known to be problematic and the cause of many different error types. If you are using your system drive and encountering errors, the first thing you should do is get a compatible drive. USB drives are not supported and are known to be problematic, so please do not use them with Pro Tools. If you're recording or playing back from a USB drive and are getting errors in Pro Tools, please switch to using a compatible external firewire drive or internal SATA/ATA/IDE drive and disconnect the USB drive.

Pro Tools supports recording and playback to a secondary drive that meets the following requirements:

7200 rpm or faster
9ms seek time or faster

Firewire drives must have the Oxford 911 (FW400 port), Oxford 912 (FW400 & FW800 ports) or Oxford 924 (FW800 ports) Bridge chip. USB drives are not supported and are known to be problematic. Here are some useful links to determine if the drive you have, or are considering, has the proper chipset:

Chipsets used in Maxtor external drives
Chipsets used in Seagate external drives

Pro Tools FireWire Drive Requirements on Windows Systems
Pro Tools EIDE/ATA Hard Drive Requirements on Windows Systems
Pro Tools SATA Hard Drive Requirements on Windows Systems
Pro Tools SCSI Hard Drive Requirements on Windows Systems



General Setup and Optimizations

Note, Norton Ghost or Acronis TrueImage is highly recommended, as it lets you save your system in a working state and easily revert to that state should you accidentally disable anything that your computer needs. You should use these tools to keep recent backups of your system drive, especially before doing any updates or installing new software.

- Before installation be sure to follow the instructions in your Digidesign product "Getting Started Guide" to configure your system for use with Pro Tools LE. If you do not have a hard copy of the guide, you can download a copy from our website.

Then, continue on with the troubleshooting and optimizations for your OS version:

For Vista specific optimizations and troubleshooting, please see this Answerbase:

Windows Vista Optimizations and Troubleshooting

For Windows XP specific optimizations and troubleshooting, please see this Answerbase:

Windows XP Optimizations and Troubleshooting

Quicktime is required for proper operation of Pro Tools in WinXP systems - please make sure you have Quicktime installed. You can download the latest version at www.quicktime.com</a>.

Further troubleshooting tips:

Please download and install the Pro Tools Tech Support Folder , which has tools and utilities to assist in diagnosing and troubleshooting potential problems you may encounter.

Delete DAE and Pro Tools preference files

See below for a utility that will do this for you automatically!

Start Menu > My Computer > Local Disk(C or correct hard drive (click "show the contents of this drive" if the files aren't displayed) > Program Files > Common Files > Digidesign > DAE > Right-click on the DAE Prefs folder and delete.
Start Menu > My Computer > Local Disk(C > Documents and Settings > "Your user folder" > Application Data > Right-click on the Digidesign folder and delete. (If the Application Data folder is not showing: Tools Menu > Folder Options > View Tab > Select "Show Hidden Files and Folders" > Click Apply and OK.)

- Delete the Digidesign Databases folders for all hard drives

This step can be useful when receiving random 'assertion' or 'neoaccess' errors, especially when recording or saving.

Start Menu > My Computer > Local Disk (C > Digidesign Databases > Right-click on the Digidesign Databases folder and delete. Repeat for all hard drives.
Start menu > My Computer > Local Disk (C > Program Files > Digidesign > Pro Tools > Databases > Right-click on the Volumes folder and delete.

- Update the PACE drivers to the latest version
http://www.paceap.com/dldrvr.html

- Update to the latest CS (Customer Service) Release for your version of Pro Tools LE

- Remove any unnecessary USB/FW devices[/i] or any other extraneous hardware and then restart the CPU

- Connect your interface to a different port on the computer, as you may have a malfunctioning port. On some systems, one port will work better than the other

If you are on a multi-core system and continue to get errors after verifying you're on a compatible system, using compatible components and have done all the optimizations, please try reducing the number of CPU's in the Playback Engine, as this can solve some compatibility issues with certain plug-ins and VI's.

Creating a new administrator account: (This is recommended if all other troubleshooting does not solve our issues)

Go to Control Panel>User Accounts and create a new administrator account, then restart and login to the new account, then test again.

If you have an NVidia graphics card, some users have reported that switching to the standard Windows video driver will fix -6xxx (6129, 6031, etc) errors.


Utilities

DPC Latency Checker can be used to determine real-time compatibility of your system.

Tech Support Folder - Utilities and Troubleshooting Tools has common utilities for diagnosing problems and generating information about your system.

Tech Support Utility are tools for removing expired/demo plug-ins, trashing preferences and generating plug-in version lists.

- Uninstall and reinstall Pro Tools (This is done only if you cannot solve the problem through any of the above steps or if the issue points specifically to a corrupted Pro Tools installation)

Go to Control Panel > Add/Remove Programs and remove Pro Tools LE. Then reinstall the software from CD-ROM or web download. If you are unable to remove using this method, you can use the Pro Tools Uninstaller Utility for Windows XP which will remove all Pro Tools components from your system (a version for Windows Vista will be coming shortly).

If you're experiencing noise from the Mbox II, there are several things to try:

- Make sure you're using balanced cables on all balanced inputs and outputs. Remember that the Mbox 2 outputs are unbalanced, and should use unbalanced connections.
- Try using a power conditioner for all your electronic gear (Furman, Monster).
- Run your outputs directly to shielded monitors and not through a mixer to see if the noise goes away.
- Some noise complaints arise from noisy power supply units inside computers - try installing and running on another computer (or if you're using a laptop, unplug the power supply and run off of batteries to see if noise goes away). Moving the Mbox II in relation to your monitor, computer or speakers may also lessen the noise.
- Unplug and turn off all unnecessary gear and run only the computer, the Mbox II, and monitors.
- Listen through headphones to determine if the noise is isolated to a particular output.
- Make sure you're not running through a USB hub or other device - the Mbox II always needs to be plugged directly into the computer.
- Try all USB ports on the computer to see if the noise lessens.
- Trace your cable path for long cable runs, and isolate your cables from possible interference (other gear, florescent lighting, CRT monitors, etc).

Lastly, if you feel a repair is necessary, please contact Digidesign Tech Support to set up an RA.

How to Remove Expired (Demo) Plug-Ins & Software:

- See Answerbase 19348

You can also use the Tech Support Utilities above to help remove expired/demo plug-ins.

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- Please - Use SiSoftware's Sandra Lite application to generate a full system profile:

www.sisoftware.co.uk

Under SiSoftware Sandra, click on "Download & Buy" to download the free Sandra Lite version or purchase other versions. After installing Sandra, click on the 'Hardware' tab and run the 'Computer Overview', then copy and paste into your post here on the DUC.

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Digidesign Wavedriver Info (or how to get Windows sounds to play back through your Digidesign Hardware)

See this page on our website for information on installation and configuration of the Wavedriver:

Digidesign Wavedriver Information

Note - Currently there is no Wavedriver available for Windows Vista. The ASIO driver, however, is compatible with Vista
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- Additional resources for Pro Tools LE on the the Windows XP platform can be found in the "Windows Utilities & Web Resources" section at the bottom of this page:
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[sureno]

see i can be useful Trev

[bluebearddub]

downloaded some of the latecey checking software from sandra, will give it another whirl later, just had my tonsils out the other day so im feeling crap ! but thanks again lads for all the help with this !