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Old 14th February 2011 , 03:48 PM
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Below is a message from Rob Sandall, Head of Editorial at DV Magazine for all DV247 Forum members to please read and reply - Thank you
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Bit of a favour to ask here - we're pretty confident that representing
quite a wide spectrum of production enthusiasts/pros, you'd be the best
team to weigh in on a new venture with the UK's annual AES event.

Whether you've attended the AES show in the UK before, or are
considering attending this year's 13-16 May event in London, we were
hoping you'd help decide on the content of some of the panels and
seminars that will be taking place.

In collaboration with DV247 and APRS, this year's show will endeavour to
tackle subjects that producers, engineers and other music professionals
feel could benefit from further coverage and explanation, led by panels
of industry experts and audio specialists.

What we'd like to ask you guys, then, is exactly which subjects are
worth exploring - literally any aspect of audio production could be
investigated - whether it be compression, acoustically treating your
studio, mastering etc - and so if you *do* have any ideas that spring to
mind, we'd be very grateful indeed. We reckon it's vital that shows like
these are covering issues that are relevant and important to the current
and new generation of producers and engineers out there, and
subsequently your input is pretty vital!

Let us know (in this thread) what you think might be a good starter for 10 if any spring to mind, and thanks very much for your help.
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Given the number of times questions get asked about room acoustic treatment, or possibly more importantly, the number of times they AREN'T, I think this would defintely be a subject worthy of inclusion.
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Is this for the members only sessions? If so I suspect it attracts a very different crowd than the ones that might be interested in practical issues on room acoustics. Ones I've attended have been pretty heavy tbh. Or is the idea to attract a wider crowd?
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Yeah, the panels/seminars at AES are about as anorak-y as it gets... we're talking doctoral-thesis-grade/technical journal paper presentations/discussions about the minutiae of all things audio... but it's stuff that's likely to be of not very much interest to a wider forum community.

I would say focus on the gear, and just do a good show report. You guys should have heads-ups as to new product announcement, so tackle those with aplomb and get 'em out quick with hands-on reviews and photos or video where possible (as opposed to just press release re-hashes).

Anyone know if this is a proper-full AES Europe show? The "mini" AES in London last year was awful... but it wasn't the real deal, really.
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The APRS has been trying to get the workshop programme at the AES to be more accessible and responsive to those who actually practice audio engineering. The request for topic suggestions applies to a separate part of the programme to which all attendees will be invited foc. There will be 6 special events available on these terms - two each show day for 90 minutes - 3 'Platinum Producer' interview events organsised in conjunction with the MPG and three 'Keynote Talkback' seminar events organised in conjunction with DV. We are also hoping to have a DV booth to offer hands-on follow-up for kit and expertise associated with the Key Seminar subjects.

The seminars will deliberately be aimed at aspiring professionals, and will include references to and presentations around current kit - though the tone will be generic rather than promotional.

The AES has been struggling in Europe and these London shows could well be a last opportunity to reinvent its character to respond to our real needs. Please help us with some discussion suggestions asap so we can start to assemble a cast of experts and characters that is appealing, entertaining and instructive.
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The seminars will deliberately be aimed at aspiring professionals, and will include references to and presentations around current kit - though the tone will be generic rather than promotional.

The AES has been struggling in Europe and these London shows could well be a last opportunity to reinvent its character to respond to our real needs. Please help us with some discussion suggestions asap so we can start to assemble a cast of experts and characters that is appealing, entertaining and instructive.
Aaah, hopefully that means I didn't misinterpret the "tone" of the request!
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[QUOTE=Dave Boulden;53285]Aaah, hopefully that means I didn't misinterpret the "tone" of the request! [/QUOTE]

I hope you didn't, Dave. I have a simple agenda here - just to help provide a service that, without the AES show, would not be available, short of a trip to Amsterdam (now there's a thought!).

If you can think of any particular discussion, demonstration, issue, or process that you believe could have light cast upon it, then throw it in the pot for us at the APRS, together with our colleagues at DV, to consider as a part of the AES workshop programme in May,

Thanks for your input.

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Thanks for chiming in, Peter - I think I may have misunderstood the request - I thought DV was asking for input as far as what they should be covering for the magazine/social networking/etc!

Will mull on this gently and return. Acoustic treatment is definitely a biggie, so I'll +1 that right off the hop!
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A 'move' to the 'Pro Audio' section for this and a bump for other members to please contribute opinion and feedback
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I agree on the acoustic treatment thing. While if you were talking to the pro community it's just a given if you are aiming for a more diverse audience people just don't seem to understand how important it is.

Other things: that might be useful for that more diverse audience is some kinda mic shootout. I think this is a very misunderstood area to most home recordists who assume a mic's a mic and dont realise how wildly different they can be (substitute mic for almost any bit of gear: pre, compressor, eq, monitors)
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Hmmm. What topics to cover at the AES... Where to start:.

I think, we are seeing a lot more people getting involved from lower levels now. In all areas. From production/using equipment, to people writing their own programmes. The amount of knowledge and prebuilt libraries out there already, makes it fairly easy to get into.

I'd say more cover of DSP processes. In particular, Time stretch/compression routines (the internet is awash with people crying over what Ableton etc does to their audio), 'standard' model Reverb designs and alternative networks. The similarity in design of different effects (Ie, the difference between a simple EQ routine and a delay..isn't that great in terms of code).

And whilst it's fun to talk about acoustics. We should talk more about the boxes that make all the noise, monitors. Picking the right size and style of monitor with correct setup is pretty much equally as important. But often forgotten underneath the thousands of people who swear that fitting foam traps to the 8 corners of their room will solve all of their problems.

Equipment control. Probably the quickest expanding sector within the audio community at the moment. People aren't really building new audio processing tools. We've kinda hit a brick wall there. But people are still pushing boundaries with control systems. People are itching to get more involved with their musical equipment. You only have to look at the amount of touch based controllers or applications that have launched in the last 18 months to see this But many people don't get the full benefit of their kit.

Just my 3 topics I'd like to see
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The APRS has been trying to get the workshop programme at the AES to be more accessible and responsive to those who actually practice audio engineering.
This might be the problem.

I get the feeling that 99% of the music creator/producer/dj/kiddy community dont actually practice audio engineering even if they think they do

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And perhaps worse for the future of music service industries (ie the engineering side) as a whole, they dont even recongnise the value of those skills - while buried in a world myths about analog vs digital etc, this vs that etc, so dont think to call upon them, or even learn. Perhaps in the future of 96kbit mp3 we wont need such skills anyway?

Much of the music people are listening too now sounds like it is made using a hepa of overhyped presets. So much being artificially ultra wide. Compressed and limited so hard that listening to it is like trying to read a newspaper thast at the end of you nose - totally in your face and no depth at all, not even a stereo space just an assault upon your ears that completely messes with you head.

Our future producers and engineers are growing up listening to this more than real natural sounds around (ipod ears buds stuffed in all the time), so I have to wonder if their brain doesnt even have the ability to recognise natural sounding space anymore, so they wont know any diffeent and will strive even harder to compete for loudness, in-yo-face-ness, wideness etc. It seems like when loud aint loud enough, a mordern mastering 'engineer' or producer (??) just hypes it all even more and sticks it all right in your ears as twio distinct uncorrelatted sound sources.

These folks might be your future 'professionals' who goto AES

If the like of AES can ado anything really really worthwhile - stem this behaviour and practice and educate people. I know some young people who actually arnt very good at directional sound location - I had to wonder if being bathed in artificial hyped sounds from ipods etc might be at least part of the cause. At the very least - it cant help future mixing skills and doesnt make for pleasurable non-fatiguing listening.

Eningeering skills (or at least awareness) are not just for pristine classical recordings, or accoustics artists, or even guitars bands etc. They should be learned and applied right at the forefront of electronic/club/dance music as well.

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Good Rant. I know what you mean.

Kinda my point. The 3 things I've listed, are 3 topics I've seen most on other forums from people that don't know what to do. They don't understand the tools and processes they use, the environment they work in and how to control their systems.

Example questions for the above:

1) I'm trying to time-stretch a vocal from 80 to 120 bpm in Live. But when I do it sounds terrible. Why does Live do this. They should make it better....

2) I've put egg cartons all over my walls, but my speakers still sound boomy. Why.

3) I've just bought an APC40. Why doesn't it work well with Logic.


Nowadays. There are too many people, with too much choice. Engineers of old didn't have so much to work with, but would therefore get to know their kit very well. Kids of today....hundreds of options. Don't take the tiem to learn how to use things properly.
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Some super valid points covered above gentlemen.. Agreed wholeheartedly
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How about something on the signal chain itself - where you can compromise, where you shouldn't - I know it's a bit of a hornet's nest of argument but there are some interesting topics to discuss that "noobs" will definitely get a lot out of.

For example, some people are obsessed with converters when they're more likely to improve their sound with a microphone.

And how mics and preamps can be matched or mismatched (or mismatched intentionally).

Why (to generalise) - why cheap mics from the Far East have presence bumps in the upper mids and expensive mics from Germany and America do not...

It's a big field but it's all important... and I think that declaring some "myths" and "truths" (or at the least, "accepted wisdoms") would be interesting and useful for a lot of people.

Of course all rules are there to break...

But as they say in sport - focus on the fundamentals ...
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