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Old 23rd July 2009 , 11:36 AM
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Nuendo is cool but here's another thought. There are some truly amazing deals around at the moment (particularly on GS) on G5 macs with PTHD on pci-x. I mean like amazing!
well, there's a reason why they're cheap - the G5, come September (with the release of OSX 10.6), will be completely obsolete (10.6 will not support PPC machines).

my other problem is that I do run a fair amount of softsynths when tackling composing duties, and the reason I SOLD my last G5 was because I was starting to choke it. my intel macbook pro is actually faster in that department and able to do more. since that's all RTAS there's little benefit to HD in that department.

it has been a consideration but even then these rigs are still multi-k, especially once you factor in the fact that I'd need a 192 at minimum and if I'm ever gonna drop that kind of coin I need it to last as long as possible - and I guarantee PT8 will be the last version that runs on those PCI-X rigs.

so, I'll gamble with native power for now, still hang onto a PTLE rig so I can keep my mad skillz in case I need to freelance somewhere, and add another software package ability to my CV at the same time.
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Old 23rd July 2009 , 11:42 AM
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I don't know much about Nuendo. What is it that's swayed you to this DAW, then T3?
Can you get us all a group deal and then you'll have more voices for a particular Nuendo forum here?
The big ones:

- full ADC, including with hardware
- Awesome automation (have to learn it all but has PTHD-like automation features and then some, except for proper VCA groups, but you can 'fake' those somehow, I'm told)
- Exceptional video capabilities - it will do far more than just play QT DV out my firewire port, which is all PTLE is capable of. Later this year I'm planning on adding a an Aja HD video box thingy (can't remember the exact name!) which plays out HD video in realtime to a monitor/TV/whatever I want. Nuendo can fully use this. Even with PTHD you need additional hardware to get that to work (Mojo? Video Satellite? All sorts of options, many of them expensive - the Aja box I'm looking at is about 300.)
- Surround mixing, if I want it, at no extra charge
- Good editing capabilities, much stronger than Logic Pro!
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so I can keep my mad skillz
LMFAO T3 getting down and grimey with his street talk
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I use Sonar - you don't know what lonely is.
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I use Sonar - you don't know what lonely is.
It's a lot lonelier since I switched to Logic...I bet you've missed me!!!!!!
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Yeah I've still got the hole in my head to see me through.

Memories of Monarch come flooding back.
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I use Sonar - you don't know what lonely is.
Really? That even still exists???
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Sir Trev is kicking me while I'm down.

I turned down Cubase too......
I think the Le version had a fault or it was user error (most likely) and Ableton was a non-starter. I was too used to my four track tape machine.
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I think the daw race has never been so close as it is now.

Ableton Live 8
Props Reason & Record
Steinberg Cubase 5
Apple Logic 9
Sonar 7
Protools 8

Basically, the last 12 months has seen everyone develop their products to try and rob the bit bits from everyone else. The biggest effort being on ableton-esque audio warping.

For instruments in the box tho, Logic & Props are still way in the lead !
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I think the daw race has never been so close as it is now.

Ableton Live 8
Props Reason & Record
Steinberg Cubase 5
Apple Logic 9
Sonar 7
Protools 8

Basically, the last 12 months has seen everyone develop their products to try and rob the bit bits from everyone else. The biggest effort being on ableton-esque audio warping.

For instruments in the box tho, Logic & Props are still way in the lead !
I think out of your list the genuine competition is between Cubase, Logic, Sonar and Pro Tools.

Live is almost a good add-on to most of those, and a unique tool unto itself, but I can't imagine using it as a primary DAW (some do though, I'm sure!)

The Reason/Record combo is just a different way of working. Very enclosed, "everything-you-need-all-in-one" but some people really like that so power to them.

Then there are the slightly more esoteric (read: expensive!) options - Samplitude, for example, could possibly be on the aforementioned "list" but I'm not sure the uptake is there. Sequoia is a really expensive version of Samplitude, really, with a few more features and a high percentage of BBC-based users. Pyramix is great for post and mastering. Nuendo is great for post. Soundblade is great for mastering.

And then you've got Reaper and Ardour - free or nearly-free - and there's certainly a market for that price point as well...

It's a crazy world, and to paraphrase someone who posted on GS today, the user can no longer ever blame their tools. You just get too much for not much cash and there are no excuses anymore to not have the possibility of producing a great product.
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It's a crazy world, and to paraphrase someone who posted on GS today, the user can no longer ever blame their tools. You just get too much for not much cash and there are no excuses anymore to not have the possibility of producing a great product.
Possibility being the operative word!
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Yeah i think what they need to do more now is focus on getting their products more stable on release and with a wider range of platforms. Vista has spannered out cubase and PT8 for me an friends and the bugs in cubase 4/5 have been pretty bad (not up on logic so i dont know of any problems there) nuendo has had a few little niggles in the past too.

Also using the full potential of multicore and multithread as well as possibly looking at the use of GPGPU processing to help matters as theres a lot of power to be had from a GPU which as yet hasnt even been touched on by audio companies. The potential for a good GPU to seriously help "native" (and by that i mean not an additional DSP card) processing is enormous when you look at how much info some of these cards can churn through whn working on things like F@H.
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So, T3, have you made the switch? How is it going? When can we expect to see the T3 Guide to Nuendo Forum?
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So, T3, have you made the switch? How is it going? When can we expect to see the T3 Guide to Nuendo Forum?
Have it, have installed it, have only used it for messing around unfortunately!

Part of the problem is that I've started a big project in Pro Tools that I need to see to completion, and there's no sense in switching horses midstream in this case. In the meantime, for smaller things I'm playing around with Nuendo just to get a feel for the workflow, etc. There are some things that work very similarly to PT, and some that don't.

It will be a while before I'm handing out tips n' tricks, I think! I'll be reading the manual in-depth (I hope) and with any luck I have a couple major mixes coming up later in the year that can be done in Nuendo from start-to-finish... fingers crossed.
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I was forced to use nuendo on a project in another studio last year. Loved the arrange function in particular. Invaluable for pre-production and, IMO,the biggest omission from PT
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