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sureno · #31 (**permalink**) 2nd December 2008 , 02:07 PM

Top draw Modz1

Monarch · #32 (**permalink**) 2nd December 2008 , 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by modz1

Price drop

http://www.dv247.com/invt/58664/

Wow you guys at DV are seriously responsive. Very quick.

trbguy · #33 (**permalink**) 2nd December 2008 , 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by modz1

Price drop

http://www.dv247.com/invt/58664/

You really do act quikly

tyronehowe · #34 (**permalink**) 2nd December 2008 , 05:54 PM

Sorry to throw a spanner in the works here

… but have you considered the Vienna Symphonic Library Special Edition? You can buy the parts of it as you need them and they sound really fantastic – many times better than Miroslav in my opinion.

You can purchase the string part (the OP mentioned strings initially) for €195 and that contains single instruments and ensembles. Right on your budget

. You can then add the other orchestral sections as you need to.

trbguy · #35 (**permalink**) 2nd December 2008 , 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tyronehowe

Sorry to throw a spanner in the works here

… but have you considered the Vienna Symphonic Library Special Edition? You can buy the parts of it as you need them and they sound really fantastic – many times better than Miroslav in my opinion.

You can purchase the string part (the OP mentioned strings initially) for €195 and that contains single instruments and ensembles. Right on your budget

. You can then add the other orchestral sections as you need to.

Thanks, for suggestion. It seems I must raise my budget as strings only is 195€ and whole orchestra is 313€. VSL sounds better than Miroslav in demos, but I' beginning to like the idea of total workstation bundle.

tyronehowe · #36 (**permalink**) 2nd December 2008 , 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by trbguy

but I' beginning to like the idea of total workstation bundle.

Fair point! You get a lot for your money

WillMedic · #37 (**permalink**) 4th December 2008 , 12:31 PM

Had a bit of a change of heart now, listened to a few more of the Garritan demos and some of them (particularly Beethoven's 5th) sound pretty damn realistic, even the brass sounds- I think the quality of the output is somewhat user-dependent, in that the sounds may be quite flat initially but once you add the right effects a good outcome can be achieved. Given that you get a full version and its damn cheap, am likely to go for the Garritan.

trbguy · #38 (**permalink**) 4th December 2008 , 03:19 PM

I listened to all those demos available on websites here are some thoughts.

EWQLSO: Sounds like it is only meant to be used to produce movie soundtracks to Lord of the ring type of movies. It has some really heroic horns and brass overall. Strings aren't that good and there is only one string quartet demo song on their site not much strings to be heard else where because of heavy use of percussion and brass. There are 6 choir sounds as bonus in silver version. Needs iLok.
Demos can be found here.
At DV

Miroslav: More traditional, even so much that solo horns only have samples with vibrato. Strings and choir sound nice, I like Miroslavs solo strings guite much. I had a opportunity to demo classik edition and it is easy to use and sounds good overall. Activated online. Demos are here
Miroslav at DV

Garritan Personal: Really a bang for a buck. Lacks some character, but it needs only 2gb of disk space. Has all sounds including solo and ensemble strings, percussion and even organ sounds. Demos here
Garritan at DV

VSL Special edition: You can buy all sections separetely or for a good price all sections as a bundle from DV. Has all basic instruments of symphonic orchestra. Requires Vienna key. Best sounding package of what I've found this far. Has a traditional realistic symphony orchestra sound. Best sounding woodwinds I have found(listen to Pavane demo). Even trills sound quite realistic. Demos here

tyronehowe · #39 (**permalink**) 4th December 2008 , 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by trbguy

VSL Special edition: You can buy all sections separetely or for a good price all sections as a bundle from DV. Has all basic instruments of symphonic orchestra. Requires Vienna key. Best sounding package of what I've found this far. Has a traditional realistic symphony orchestra sound. Best sounding woodwinds I have found(listen to Pavane demo). Even trills sound quite realistic. Demos here

Definitely – and the legato samples are second to none, especially on woodwinds.

trbguy · #40 (**permalink**) 4th December 2008 , 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tyronehowe

Definitely – and the legato samples are second to none, especially on woodwinds.

Yep, legato is what they are proud of....

Monarch · #41 (**permalink**) 4th December 2008 , 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by trbguy

I listened to all those demos available on websites here are some thoughts.

EWQLSO: Sounds like it is only meant to be used to produce movie soundtracks to Lord of the ring type of movies. It has some really heroic horns and brass overall. Strings aren't that good and there is only one string quartet demo song on their site not much strings to be heard else where because of heavy use of percussion and brass. There are 6 choir sounds as bonus in silver version. Needs iLok.
Demos can be found here.
At DV

Miroslav: More traditional, even so much that solo horns only have samples with vibrato. Strings and choir sound nice, I like Miroslavs solo strings guite much. I had a opportunity to demo classik edition and it is easy to use and sounds good overall. Activated online. Demos are here
Miroslav at DV

Garritan Personal: Really a bang for a buck. Lacks some character, but it needs only 2gb of disk space. Has all sounds including solo and ensemble strings, percussion and even organ sounds. Demos here
Garritan at DV

VSL Special edition: You can buy all sections separetely or for a good price all sections as a bundle from DV. Has all basic instruments of symphonic orchestra. Requires Vienna key. Best sounding package of what I've found this far. Has a traditional realistic symphony orchestra sound. Best sounding woodwinds I have found(listen to Pavane demo). Even trills sound quite realistic. Demos here

Excellent break down trbguy. VSL looks like the one to get. So many options out there.

trbguy · #42 (**permalink**) 5th December 2008 , 08:04 AM

And some videos:

Vienna Symphonic Library Special Edition

IK Multimedia Miroslav Part 1

IK Multimedia Miroslav Part 2

IK Multimedia Miroslav Part 3

IK Multimedia Miroslav Part 4

IK Multimedia Miroslav Part 5

Garritan Personal Orchestra with video of real orchestra playing

trbguy · #43 (**permalink**) 5th December 2008 , 09:29 AM

Vienna Symphonic Library Special Edition 2 Mixing

Vienna Symphonic Library Special Edition Ensemble

Vienna Symphonic Library Special Edition Speed Control

trbguy · #44 (**permalink**) 8th December 2008 , 11:00 AM

One cheap and good sounding library not mentioned yet is Kirk Hunters Orchestra with 4 different orchestra options for Exs24 and Kontakt. Starting from 89$ as download. In my opinion sounds good for its price tag. Home page
And demos can be found here.
They also have somekind of legato system called legato live and human pitch control.

trbguy · #45 (**permalink**) 14th December 2008 , 10:19 AM

I have decided to go with Kirk Hunter Emerald Orchestra. Question is there are Exs24 version and Kontakt version available which should I buy?
These are taken form Kirk Hunter Studios page:

Kontakt

Benefits
-Ability to control levels of separate parts of intervaLive®.
-Keyswitched instruments in Ruby and Diamond show the exact keymap where each articulation is triggered.
-More polyphony available to each instrument.
-Ability to stuff more articulations into one instrument such as keyswitched instruments.

Liabilities
-Requires heavy CPU power.
-Many features not available globally such as attack curve, filter, pitch wheel controls, velocity attack, envelope ADSRs, etc.
-Each instance on Kontakt has a limit of 16 midi channels.
-If you make any changes in Kontakt whether loading a new instrument or changing anything on the interface, Logic will not safely ask you if you want to save the changes in your song before you close it.

Exs 24

Benefits
-Extremely efficient use of CPU power; you can get more instruments loaded.
-Nice global controls on all instruments such as attack curve, filter, pitch wheel controls, velocity attack, envelope ADSRs, etc.
-You can load 128 instruments in one song.
-If you make any changes in EXS whether loading a new instrument or changing anything on the interface, Logic will safely ask you if you want to save the changes in your song before you close it.

Liabilities
-Levels of the separate parts of intevalIve® are fixed. (You can change the levels if you know how to edit in EXS.)
-Instruments are limited to a polyphony of 64 voices each.
-Because of certain programming limitations, some articulations in keyswitched instruments have to be loaded separately rather than in just one instrument. For example, instruments that use mod wheel crossfades are usually in different instruments than those that use velocity-selected layers.

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tyronehowe Super Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Cirencester, UK Posts: 419	Sorry to throw a spanner in the works here … but have you considered the Vienna Symphonic Library Special Edition? You can buy the parts of it as you need them and they sound really fantastic – many times better than Miroslav in my opinion. You can purchase the string part (the OP mentioned strings initially) for €195 and that contains single instruments and ensembles. Right on your budget . You can then add the other orchestral sections as you need to. ______________________________ Tyrone Howe Apple Certified Pro, Logic Pro 8, Level 1 Logic Pro 9.0.2, Access Virus TI Keyboard
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#37 (permalink) 4th December 2008 , 12:31 PM
WillMedic Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 10	Had a bit of a change of heart now, listened to a few more of the Garritan demos and some of them (particularly Beethoven's 5th) sound pretty damn realistic, even the brass sounds- I think the quality of the output is somewhat user-dependent, in that the sounds may be quite flat initially but once you add the right effects a good outcome can be achieved. Given that you get a full version and its damn cheap, am likely to go for the Garritan.
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#38 (permalink) 4th December 2008 , 03:19 PM
trbguy Chilled to the 'bone Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Finland Posts: 412	I listened to all those demos available on websites here are some thoughts. EWQLSO: Sounds like it is only meant to be used to produce movie soundtracks to Lord of the ring type of movies. It has some really heroic horns and brass overall. Strings aren't that good and there is only one string quartet demo song on their site not much strings to be heard else where because of heavy use of percussion and brass. There are 6 choir sounds as bonus in silver version. Needs iLok. Demos can be found here. At DV Miroslav: More traditional, even so much that solo horns only have samples with vibrato. Strings and choir sound nice, I like Miroslavs solo strings guite much. I had a opportunity to demo classik edition and it is easy to use and sounds good overall. Activated online. Demos are here Miroslav at DV Garritan Personal: Really a bang for a buck. Lacks some character, but it needs only 2gb of disk space. Has all sounds including solo and ensemble strings, percussion and even organ sounds. Demos here Garritan at DV VSL Special edition: You can buy all sections separetely or for a good price all sections as a bundle from DV. Has all basic instruments of symphonic orchestra. Requires Vienna key. Best sounding package of what I've found this far. Has a traditional realistic symphony orchestra sound. Best sounding woodwinds I have found(listen to Pavane demo). Even trills sound quite realistic. Demos here
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#42 (permalink) 5th December 2008 , 08:04 AM
trbguy Chilled to the 'bone Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Finland Posts: 412	And some videos: Vienna Symphonic Library Special Edition IK Multimedia Miroslav Part 1 IK Multimedia Miroslav Part 2 IK Multimedia Miroslav Part 3 IK Multimedia Miroslav Part 4 IK Multimedia Miroslav Part 5 Garritan Personal Orchestra with video of real orchestra playing
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#43 (permalink) 5th December 2008 , 09:29 AM
trbguy Chilled to the 'bone Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Finland Posts: 412	Vienna Symphonic Library Special Edition 2 Mixing Vienna Symphonic Library Special Edition Ensemble Vienna Symphonic Library Special Edition Speed Control
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#44 (permalink) 8th December 2008 , 11:00 AM
trbguy Chilled to the 'bone Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Finland Posts: 412	One cheap and good sounding library not mentioned yet is Kirk Hunters Orchestra with 4 different orchestra options for Exs24 and Kontakt. Starting from 89$ as download. In my opinion sounds good for its price tag. Home page And demos can be found here. They also have somekind of legato system called legato live and human pitch control.
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#45 (permalink) 14th December 2008 , 10:19 AM
trbguy Chilled to the 'bone Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Finland Posts: 412	I have decided to go with Kirk Hunter Emerald Orchestra. Question is there are Exs24 version and Kontakt version available which should I buy? These are taken form Kirk Hunter Studios page: Kontakt Benefits -Ability to control levels of separate parts of intervaLive®. -Keyswitched instruments in Ruby and Diamond show the exact keymap where each articulation is triggered. -More polyphony available to each instrument. -Ability to stuff more articulations into one instrument such as keyswitched instruments. Liabilities -Requires heavy CPU power. -Many features not available globally such as attack curve, filter, pitch wheel controls, velocity attack, envelope ADSRs, etc. -Each instance on Kontakt has a limit of 16 midi channels. -If you make any changes in Kontakt whether loading a new instrument or changing anything on the interface, Logic will not safely ask you if you want to save the changes in your song before you close it. Exs 24 Benefits -Extremely efficient use of CPU power; you can get more instruments loaded. -Nice global controls on all instruments such as attack curve, filter, pitch wheel controls, velocity attack, envelope ADSRs, etc. -You can load 128 instruments in one song. -If you make any changes in EXS whether loading a new instrument or changing anything on the interface, Logic will safely ask you if you want to save the changes in your song before you close it. Liabilities -Levels of the separate parts of intevalIve® are fixed. (You can change the levels if you know how to edit in EXS.) -Instruments are limited to a polyphony of 64 voices each. -Because of certain programming limitations, some articulations in keyswitched instruments have to be loaded separately rather than in just one instrument. For example, instruments that use mod wheel crossfades are usually in different instruments than those that use velocity-selected layers.
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