VST3's and their future?

[Dave Boulden]

Originally Posted by Khazul

I actually use an Edirol UM-880 as my primary MIDI interface to hardware synths - I wish roland still made them as I could do with another

I still have my MidiMan Midisport 4x4 around for very similar reasons

[tyronehowe]

Originally Posted by Dave Boulden

That'll be the Jute in you

Haha, maybe – but at least we were brave!

Originally Posted by sureno

Wait till cubase 5 comes out when i was a member and user of C4 and cubase.net i was secretly hoping that C5 would be announced because it was so funny reading all the people getting irate about it, im not much of a moaner either get on with it or move away from the problem, may have the occasional moan up but some of these guys lived for it i just thought any day now there is going to be a revolt, i remember when they where meant to fix the Freeze function and didn't, some members where furious as they had practically started a campaign to address this but to no avail

yes – remember seeing that very set of posts. It really was terrible the lengths that Steinberg went to just to ignore a problem

Of all the DAW forums I’ve been to, Cubase.net is the worst. People always complaining / moaning. Not very much constructive help. In contrast, MOTUnation.com was the friendliest and most helpful DAW specific forum I’ve been on.

[sureno]

and of coarse this forum but yeah know exactly what you, funnily enough i went on there today after all this talk to see if things had changed and to post a quick hi how's every one thread. this is just a guesstimate but id say 90% of the posts in the cubase4 pc section was moaning about problems they where having i say moaning not in a disrespectful way but rightly so as the software wasn't playing nice with them and the problems where still appearing to be of the same nature when i was experiencing them

[Khazul]

Originally Posted by Monarch

Heh...classic example of how tastes can differ so much...I *love* C4's GUI. I think it is superb.

LOL - I'm probably a cranky picky old git then

Part of it I supposed is that I got used to phsyical hardware a long time ago and for some things software is just such a poor substitute when it comes to user interaction, though oddly I seem to have quite alot f patience for some of the horrible poky liitle screen you get on digital fx boxes - perhaps the frame of mind Im in when tweaking them means they dont bother me in quite the same way as sifting around a virtual desktop with a mouse trying to find something I used to just reach for allmost without looking.

[sureno]

oooh M you disappoint me, i think its foul, very clunky. call me finicky but a MIDI/Audio section is just 90 degree corners where as logic the top right has a knee in it making it easy to see separate blocks when they are up close

[tyronehowe]

Originally Posted by sureno

and of coarse this forum

ah yes – well that’s why I was very careful to say “DAW Specific” forum!!

Originally Posted by sureno

but yeah know exactly what you, funnily enough i went on there today after all this talk to see if things had changed and to post a quick hi how's every one thread. this is just a guesstimate but id say 90% of the posts in the cubase4 pc section was moaning about problems they where having i say moaning not in a disrespectful way but rightly so as the software wasn't playing nice with them and the problems where still appearing to be of the same nature when i was experiencing them

Well to be fair – a lot of people go to forums because they have a problem. That's what made the MOTUnation forum so good – they are a bunch of friendly guys who are obviously really happy to be using DP and want to share the “love” they have for their DAW. You don’t see that much on the Cubase forums.

But to the topic of the VST3, I think Steinberg can pretty much do what they want. It’s their standard. But they will have to 1) persuade other DAWs to code for it and 2) persuade plug-in manufacturers to write for it. Because at the moment (if I remember right) the VST 3 plug-ins currently with C4 aren’t that much different from the VST 2.4 versions they replaced – although I stand to be corrected.

When Cubase 4 came out, I don’t think that side-chaining in VST 3 had been written?

Also now I come to think of it, maybe another reason that C4 was released prematurely was because SX3 had been cracked?

[Khazul]

[QUOTE=tyronehowe;12245]When Cubase 4 came out, I don’t think that side-chaining in VST 3 had been written?QUOTE]

Thats right - it was something to be available "during the V4 cycle".

If you knew what you were doing and thought a little bit laterally about it, you could load up a sidechain capable compressor plugin and make it work - the secret was to use a quad channel group - one pair to the compressor main in, second pair to the key in. On the output, you only use the main out pair and ignore the others.

To get the key signal in, then using a send to the second pair was generally the most flexible way to do it. As it happens, using sends is typically how I feed hardware compressors from a hardware mixer and I still do the same in Live 7 today as I dont actually use thier included compressor that much and its an easy way to create a key submix.

[sureno]

some1 saw my tutorial vid i posted.......

as for the moaning on the C4 section, i understand the majority of people join to seek assistance with problem but for around 2 years it's been the same problems appearing, i know other forums with questions on how to for the majority of it rather than troubleshooting problems

[tyronehowe]

Originally Posted by Khazul

Thats right - it was something to be available "during the V4 cycle".

If you knew what you were doing and thought a little bit laterally about it, you could load up a sidechain capable compressor plugin and make it work - the secret was to use a quad channel group - one pair to the compressor main in, second pair to the key in. On the output, you only use the main out pair and ignore the others.

To get the key signal in, then using a send to the second pair was generally the most flexible way to do it. As it happens, using sends is typically how I feed hardware compressors from a hardware mixer and I still do the same in Live 7 today as I dont actually use thier included compressor that much and its an easy way to create a key submix.

Yes that’s it – "during the V4 cycle". Obviously that means “please buy our software even though we haven’t finished it yet!”

I sort of remember the work arounds but I never tried them. Seems such a long time ago now!

Originally Posted by sureno

as for the moaning on the C4 section, i understand the majority of people join to seek assistance with problem but for around 2 years it's been the same problems appearing, i know other forums with questions on how to for the majority of it rather than troubleshooting problems

Yup. There seems to be this black cloud perpetually over the Cubase forum. There’s a different feeling in the other forums. I forgot to mention the Sonar forum – that was very upbeat as well.

[Monarch]

Originally Posted by Khazul

LOL - I'm probably a cranky picky old git then

Part of it I supposed is that I got used to phsyical hardware a long time ago and for some things software is just such a poor substitute when it comes to user interaction, though oddly I seem to have quite alot f patience for some of the horrible poky liitle screen you get on digital fx boxes - perhaps the frame of mind Im in when tweaking them means they dont bother me in quite the same way as sifting around a virtual desktop with a mouse trying to find something I used to just reach for allmost without looking.

Yeah I can can understand that a more hands on feel would seem more immeadiate. Especially if one is coming from a hardware background. It makes sense. I would also say that probably most producers / performers use a combination of software and hardware controllers so they get the best of both worlds.

Originally Posted by sureno

oooh M you disappoint me, i think its foul, very clunky. call me finicky but a MIDI/Audio section is just 90 degree corners where as logic the top right has a knee in it making it easy to see separate blocks when they are up close

...well I think the subject of GUI's is extremely subjective. We could probably fill an entire sub forum with discussion on the smallest details that we prefer over another hosts offerings.

While I do think C4 offers a very stylish and accessible GUI, one thing I did not like about it was not being able to dock the Midi window and also there was no way I could see to zoom into Midi data when working with the inline Midi. I think I am so used to doing these things in Sonar.

But maybe both are are now possible in C4.5

[sureno]

Originally Posted by Monarch

But maybe both are are now possible in C4.5

i think the 4.5 update just offers users more than 1 hr usage before crashing any one got any good places i could now go and hide

[tyronehowe]

Originally Posted by sureno

i think the 4.5 update just offers users more than 1 hr usage before crashing any one got any good places i could now go and hide

cruel but funny!

Mind you - there's that joke: Why does Cubase support the Mac platform? So that Logic Users can edit their audio....

Ok, since I'm a Logic user, I'm allowed to say that

[sureno]

so on reserructing this old thread i have to say, VST3's have appeared to have earned their keep and are slowly being supported by more and more plug ins and hosts... interesting