Logic's Future? User Requests!

[sureno]

So what do you guys want to see in future updates or versions of Logic?
Ideally my main priority is stability or should i say some fine tuning such as the visual bugs occasionally encountered in Logic but as far as new features (only after stability is addressed) for it to be on parr with abelton warping wise, then il never cheat on Logic again

[EdRyan]

Yh. Live like warping is top of my logic wish list as well.

I'd now like them to support a template for the nocturn though, just like Cubase etc does...

[tyronehowe]

1) Audio editing with full independent undo history, and elastic audio - Cubase has had both these features since SX3.

2) Sort out the multi-timbral VI hotchpotch, and allow proper use of Volume/Pan sent to each channel.

Apart from that, I'm pretty happy with Logic 8 - but those two points are important issues. There have been (poor) work arounds for these two issues for too long.

Actually I’ll add one more:

3) Ask Apple to treat Logic as a Pro application and talk to its customer userbase. I hate the eternal silence from Apple about Logic.

[trbguy]

1.Ability to launch midi files from Mainstage
2.Stability

[tyronehowe]

Originally Posted by trbguy

1.Ability to launch midi files from Mainstage
2.Stability

Stability? That's an interesting one.

I've been lucky enough to find Logic 8 pretty stable. What are you doing in Logic when it crashes? Or is it just random?

[sureno]

Originally Posted by tyronehowe

Stability? That's an interesting one.

I've been lucky enough to find Logic 8 pretty stable. What are you doing in Logic when it crashes? Or is it just random?

+1 stability has been awesome for me, however when it wasn't stable (very rarely) it was due to a plug in

[trbguy]

Stability? That's an interesting one.

I've been lucky enough to find Logic 8 pretty stable. What are you doing in Logic when it crashes? Or is it just random?

Mostly the problem is system overload in playback. And yes my finger points mostly to exs24 sampler. I've tried all the buffer configurations found on the apple support site. System overload can happen with only one track including esx24 bassline. On the other hand I can have dozens of tracks including third party orchestral plug-in with no problem. Large pack of good sounding soft synths was a big factor deciding which sequencer to buy. I have Imac 20" with 2.5 gig of memory. I' ve never had any problems with audio only projects.

[tyronehowe]

Originally Posted by trbguy

Mostly the problem is system overload in playback. And yes my finger points mostly to exs24 sampler. I've tried all the buffer configurations found on the apple support site. System overload can happen with only one track including esx24 bassline. On the other hand I can have dozens of tracks including third party orchestral plug-in with no problem. Large pack of good sounding soft synths was a big factor deciding which sequencer to buy. I have Imac 20" with 2.5 gig of memory. I' ve never had any problems with audio only projects.

Ah the lovely system overload problem. Apple have never really solved that have they? I think that 8.02 is better than 8.0 but many users still report that problem.

And back to my point about communication with Apple – we have absolutely no idea if they are working on it, can’t recreate it or just ignoring it.

You’re iMac should, as you say, be capable of handling quite a bit.

The soft synths in Logic were not a factor for me – I didn’t really know about them. I just liked the idea of the hardware manufacturer also writing the software – I though it would be a killer combination but in reality it’s awful because there is no communication.

I have tried most DAWs to try to find the best for me (and because I am trying to find the mixture of best company/best DAW) and am back with Logic.

I was with Cubase for a long time but could no longer stay with a company that blatantly lied (after a year long wait for the never-to-arrive SX3 upgrade). Sonar was very good, great company, but I wanted to move away from Windows. DP was very interesting, but just too many mini-bugs and things just-quite-not-working for me.

If I had a choice? Sonar on a Mac, but I can’t see that ever happening!

Actually, my real choice would be Logic with proper Apple communication and elastic audio. But I don’t ever see that happening either.

[sureno]

PT8 for me would only seem to be a reasonable alternative, iv owned cubase 4 and their update policy was appalling so moved on to logic, got live as well but for sequencing i prefer logic, i have pro tools too which i may use for a odd mix but very rarely. when PT8 comes out i will upgrade and see if it rivals L8

[tyronehowe]

Hi Sureno

PT certainly seems to be king of audio but I use mostly MIDI and PT is not so good (so I’ve read).

PT8 could have interested me, but with still not having PDC means a big no no for me.

I just really don’t understand Apple’s tight-lipped policy. I know that they can’t divulge information of upcoming products, but surely just a current bug list can’t be giving away too many secrets?

Ho hum..!

[EdRyan]

I dislike Protools, for all the reasons Digi protest it's the best thing since sliced bread.. when really their home hardware is quite lame, ther standard plugs and instruments are rather limited, and generally for a Protools system to be usable, you have to spend a small fortune xpanding and upgrading..

Logic8 represented an amazing change to me. It's the best out of the box of any of the daws. Great instruments, usable to great effects, some seriously flexible routing and setup via the environment. I do however ,have some suggestions.

1) The audio engine is almost vintage now. Destructive ediiting, the lack of warp/beat detection functions is a killer bad point for me.

2) The Pow-R dither is ok, but there is better. I end up exporting my tracks to RX Izoptope just to use the dither there, because the dither engine they license is the best out there.

3) The auto-tune could also do with some work. It'd be awesome if you could automate key/program preset changes along the timeline.

4) I'm dubious about the mp3 coder as well. SOme tracks come out sunding great, others sound awful. They update it or hire in a better one.

5) Wish they'd simplify the mutes and solos. Eg sometimes, muting an instrument track doesn't stop sound from coming out of the channel. The only way to make sure of something being muted or solo'd correctly, is to have the mixer open and do it on the strip.. please fix this !

[sureno]

Originally Posted by EdRyan

I dislike Protools, for all the reasons Digi protest it's the best thing since sliced bread.. when really their home hardware is quite lame, ther standard plugs and instruments are rather limited, and generally for a Protools system to be usable, you have to spend a small fortune xpanding and upgrading..

Logic8 represented an amazing change to me. It's the best out of the box of any of the daws. Great instruments, usable to great effects, some seriously flexible routing and setup via the environment. I do however ,have some suggestions.

1) The audio engine is almost vintage now. Destructive ediiting, the lack of warp/beat detection functions is a killer bad point for me.

2) The Pow-R dither is ok, but there is better. I end up exporting my tracks to RX Izoptope just to use the dither there, because the dither engine they license is the best out there.

3) The auto-tune could also do with some work. It'd be awesome if you could automate key/program preset changes along the timeline.

4) I'm dubious about the mp3 coder as well. SOme tracks come out sunding great, others sound awful. They update it or hire in a better one.

5) Wish they'd simplify the mutes and solos. Eg sometimes, muting an instrument track doesn't stop sound from coming out of the channel. The only way to make sure of something being muted or solo'd correctly, is to have the mixer open and do it on the strip.. please fix this !

yes number 1 and 5, to add to this sort out the off line bounce on some of logics instruments it causes the notes to be off synced, very rarely but it does happen and it drives you mad as you may not notice it at first because your brain is telling you that it was placed correctly and it sounds fine before bounce but its just off

[EdRyan]

Here's another one...

When doing audio to score/midi, it'd be ace if you could preview the part on the instrument of choice that you'd like to play the part on.

maybe even experiment with the functions such as release, threshhold and quantise...just so you can get the best translation. I find the logic score to audio function a bit hit and miss. It tries to score the oddest pitch wobbles, and misses the key note. Other times it works really well. But you never know until you let it do the job...which is a time consuming trial and error effort a lot of the time !

[tyronehowe]

Hi Ed

Completely agree with you. I think it really depends on what job you’re trying to do.

If you a composer then you need a DAW that will work flawlessly with all plug-ins (such as Logic, Cubase, Sonar etc.). I’ve never properly used PT, but I get the impression it’s more for mixing/mastering. I’m sure plenty of people will disagree with that though.

Plus I REALLY don’t like the idea of being tied to particular hardware and I REALLY don’t like the idea of software deliberately crippling your hardware unless you pay them more money (e.g. audio track limit in PT LE, Vista processor usage etc.)

So in that respect Logic is brilliant. No more dongle (that in itself is VERY important to me, I certainly will not ever consider Cubase until the dongle is gone) and it works efficiently. When I’m on the road with my 2Ghz White MacBook (not MacBookPro!) I can still compose a lot of music. There is easily enough power for many tracks/VIs/Effects, in many cases enough for a song/cue.

1) Totally agree. Many users were hoping for this in LP8, but as we know, the audio part was hardly touched. Logic must now be one of the very DAWs not to have this capability. Sorry to say this, but Apple should have a look at how Cubase does it. Audio editing and warping with full offline undo history per audio file?! That’s what’s needed in Logic.

2) I don’t know about this.

3) Auto-tune in Logic? Are you sure?

4) I don’t know about this either.

5) Yes! First thing I noticed in Logic is that solo can take about 4 bars to kick in! Or that things can be soloed and hidden with nothing showing on the arrange page. Every other DAW I’ve used has mute/solo working intuitively and quickly. I imagine that this will be a big change for Apple to make – but it’s needed. Hey – they can do it when they rewrite the audio engine for elastic audio!

But I still think the worst part is us sitting here wondering if there is even going to BE another version of Logic, and what bugs they are (or are not) going to work on.

[sureno]

yes i hate to admit it but C4 spanked logic for editing of audio but i would rather have the stability of logic anyday and put up with the destructive audio