line mixer for guitar effects rack

[suhr 6006]

Hi I was wondering if anyone can help. I am looking for a 1 or 2u line mixer for my guitar set up. At the moment I run the effects through the effects loop. But as the effects are digital they take the depth and dynamics out of the amp. The effects are good quality Bricasti M7 and T C 2290 eventide dsp4000. I bought a Rane sm26 but doesnt work. Is there anyway I can send my guitar singnal along an effects buss and then add the effcts on a send and return like a desk. Needs to be a good analogue quality mixer as dont want to affect sound quality. If the mixer is not the answer and anyone has another solution please can you tell me. Miking up and adding effects via the desk live is not an option for me as need to have control over my own effects, thanks

[ecc83]

Rolls RM203X


Might be a bit of an overkill, both on facilities and price! But it seems a very nice bit of kit.

The Behringer Eurorack PRO RX 1602 is nearly a third the price but I bet it is almost as sonically sound.

I think if you have bigger than a 1U slot to fill you will have to buy a blank! However, Neve do a nice summing amp, I think that is 2U!

Dave.

[ecc83]

Aha! DV247 computer,

Most clever condensing my link down to two words but how many others like me at first thought you were just being obtruse and snotty?

Why bother?

Dave.

[modz1]

Originally Posted by ecc83

Aha! DV247 computer,

Most clever condensing my link down to two words but how many others like me at first thought you were just being obtruse and snotty?

Why bother?

Dave.

Never touched it man..

[ecc83]

Ok Modz but SOMETHING did!

I was a long string....www.soundonsoundblahblah//thing.

Oh well! Sits well with BT at the moment who keep shuffling stuff about on my mail page! Too many computers in the world with buggerall better to do!

Gimme EL34's anyday.

Dave ( Orig' grumpy old man)

[terminal3]

Originally Posted by ecc83

Ok Modz but SOMETHING did!

I was a long string....www.soundonsoundblahblah//thing.

Oh well! Sits well with BT at the moment who keep shuffling stuff about on my mail page! Too many computers in the world with buggerall better to do!

Gimme EL34's anyday.

Dave ( Orig' grumpy old man)

You'll note when you post that if you scroll down from the actual text window, there's an Additional Options section. Under 'Miscellaneous Options' there's a box labelled 'Automatically parse links in text' - this is checked ON by default, and this is what's making your long links turn into page titles. If you uncheck it they will remain as "raw" links.

[ecc83]

Well thank you Terminal3,

I often wondered what that meant!

Dave.

[suhr 6006]

thanks ecc83 didnt occur to me about the neve will go to DV and check it. Only reason for saying 1u was didnt want to include pa type mixers. Thanks again and hopefully it might add the neve sound to the amp, thanks again.

[ecc83]

Ha ha!

Serves me right! I was being sarcastic when I mentioned Neve thinking you would come back with "go forth and multiply! I ain't got that kind of bread!" but it backfired!

Yo, there is a review of the Neve in Sound on sound somewhere I am sure. If you cannot find it let me know and I will do a search as penance!

Dave.

[ecc83]

Neve 8816 Analogue Summing Amplifier.

Phwoar!!!
Dave.

[ecc83]

Hey, Suhr! The penny's just dropped.

What's wrong with PA mixers? You've been listening to 'em for ever!

Dave.

[suhr 6006]

Hi Ecc83,
really just looking for a mixer because if i run the effects directly into the amp they really mess the sound up. The only reason I listed the stuff I was using just to show that is quite good equipment and the AD DA converters on them are quite good just in case someone had a go about cheap effects in to the amp. I did e-mail pete cornish but he hasnt got back to me and asked a well respected guitar shop and they said I didnt need a mixer. The neve mixer sounds like a good solution and spoke to neve and it would do the job I need of it and add the neve sound but would really rather not spend £2000 + on a summing mixer. The reason I stayed away from PA mixers is I just play the guitar and the only PA mixers I am familiar with are those big 6U - 10U type of things so dont really want to have to carry that around . I am really not trying to be sarcastic or anything but am really tired of people saying the guitar sounds thin ( bassist and sound enginners ) and it is because the effects are digital. I no I could leave the effects out but never really liked the sound of any amp on its own. So if you have a suggestion would really appreciate and not being sarcastic honestly.

[ecc83]

I assure you I did not take your comment as sarcasm, just that you might have gained the idea that "PA" electronics is somehow inferior to "recording" or "stooodio" 'tronics?

That PA kit often has simpler circuit topologies and techniques is true but whether these "lacks" can be heard is a VERY debatable matter! PA power amps for example often have a 3dB point as low as 50kHz. Anathema to some of the hi-fi beards out there and others who claim we need to cater for bats.

Certainly if you want 100dB noise floors and vanishingly low THD levels you have to get into balanced mixing amps and all kinds of expensive ***t but, and I not being disrepectful here, live guitar hardly warrants that sort of sophistication!

At the end of the day all you need is a box of NE5532's and some resistors and caps. This is not rocket science.

Sorry for the waffle, you won't ask again!

Good luck,
Dave.

[suhr 6006]

Hi Ecc83,
you are right about live sound. I used to have a Lexicon 300L and was considering getting a Lexicon 480L as was the next step up ,this was just before the Bricasti came out and Charlie Chandler a well respected guitar man said that very thing to me that I would notice the diiference but live no one else would, so was it worth it . Im probably like every other guitarist always trying to improve my sound. I think I might take a step back and just look around for a while and see what works for my situation, but thanks for the advise.

[Vantage]

Same here, I am desperatly looking for a stomp-box mixer.

Somewhat in the line of the new Alesis Multimix 8 line.

[URL="http://www.alesis.com/multimix8line"]http://www.alesis.com/multimix8line[/URL]

But reduced to 6 stereo channels, and upgraded to 2 stereo FX loops.

Small mixers today seem to be all sort of things but designed for a specific purpose. Makie 1202Z sort of will do the trick, but do we really want to stick something like that on the floor and fall over it?

And as far as rack units go : Yes nice, but we all have stuff on the floor and why not put it there where most of our attention is concentrated. If I play, may that be on stage or in a studio, I don't look at my racks at all and hardly ever on the floor. But if I do look, I think that the first glance goes on the floor an not behind me to the rack. That will always be secondary. ( There is a Rocktron Voodoo Valve, a H&K Tubeman Plus, a Alesis Midiverb 4 and DBX Project 1 Compressor and gate in there to throw some kit at you )

On the floor I have all the old analog paraphernalia : Boss Legends and Distortion Pedals, a new RC20XL and SL20, for which I am in need of a mixer.

I also have a Korg AX300G which I take with me on stage if I can't move the whole rack around. This would specifically benefit from the mixer as well...

So I wrote to Alesis to tell them that I think as a guitarist I could really do with a mixer that is as good as the MutiMix 8 Line but which I can stick on the floor next to the stuff I use every day.

Haven't heard from them yet but I doubt that there RnD department will even consider an answer...

If anyone has seen a stomp box mixer the size of a Boss twin pedal, please let me now...

Maybe it's time to give the old RS catalog another look and pick up the solder Iron...

Vantage