FR: Pioneer CDJ 1000 mk IV

sureno · #1 (**permalink**) 9th February 2009 , 08:20 PM

So what would you guys want to see from/if the CDJ 1000 is updated to mk IV,
i myself would like to see USB/MIDI support and more sturdy play and cue buttons.

Khazul · #2 (**permalink**) 10th February 2009 , 09:38 AM

Ive never had a problem with the play/cue button on these - if anything I rate them as among the most precise buttons on anything. What I do however find a little hard to be precise with are the loop buttons - that really could do with a tempo assist.

What would I change?

Higher quality 'tempo-lock' mode (ie pitch shifter - and same for the DJM-800).

mp3 play off a usb stick as well as CD.

PC/Mac editor for managing cue points on the SD card between multiple SD cards (ie CD decks) and even for import/export and sharing with software DJ apps (Traktor cues, Lives ASD files etc).

MIDI out so the DJM-800 + CDJ-1000 can be used together as a software controller as well.

An indication of what pitch change you are applying when turning the rim, rather than just allwasy indicating the pitch from the pitch slider.

A much tighter pitch slider - more like those on my Technics SL1200 decks (or at least the M5Gs that I have are quite tight).

Remember what pitch range and tempo mode you are using when you switch it off.

Subframe accurate cue points - i dont find 1/75 sec or whatever it is accurate enough for an absolutely precise drop in without testing the cue point lots.

But in the end, I basically quite like it - especially the fact that you can also accurately scratch cue/launch with it just like vinyl.

sureno · #3 (**permalink**) 10th February 2009 , 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Khazul

Ive never had a problem with the play/cue button on these

had to put mine in for warranty, they are none to break

Khazul · #4 (**permalink**) 10th February 2009 , 10:14 AM

Been battering them have you?

The absolute worst buttons I have come across are on numark gear - yuk! utterly horrible!!

Like try to cue something thorugh a bath spounge

sureno · #5 (**permalink**) 10th February 2009 , 10:20 AM

yeah i think so but now im very cautious about them, as for the feel of them they are very nice

Khazul · #6 (**permalink**) 10th February 2009 , 10:38 AM

Must admit Im allways quite gentle with the buttons on the CDJs and tend to use the fader start mode of the DJM-800 quite alot too as I can drop in more accurately with it and get around the frame time quantize issue.

EdRyan · #7 (**permalink**) 10th February 2009 , 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Khazul

Higher quality 'tempo-lock' mode (ie pitch shifter - and same for the DJM-800).

That would bump the price of these up a lot, due to the extra processing and memory space needed to do it

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Originally Posted by Khazul

mp3 play off a usb stick as well as CD.

Pretty sure this is coming, since the CDJ200 can do it, as well as their old CMD 55 dual deck.

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Originally Posted by Khazul

PC/Mac editor for managing cue points on the SD card between multiple SD cards (ie CD decks) and even for import/export and sharing with software DJ apps (Traktor cues, Lives ASD files etc).

This is a tricky one. Since the CDJ reads and remembers the saved information for each cd, having an editor would probably do more harm then good. The data sharing between apps won't happen either, as they are competing, and again it's technically difficult

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Originally Posted by Khazul

MIDI out so the DJM-800 + CDJ-1000 can be used together as a software controller as well.

That's why they invented timecode discs. Implementing a true midi send from a deck is a bit pointless. What if you're playing a cd with no transient information. At least with timecode, you are still in control.

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Originally Posted by Khazul

An indication of what pitch change you are applying when turning the rim, rather than just allways indicating the pitch from the pitch slider.

My Stanton deck does this, and it makes no difference imo. Unless you are trying to work out the pitch change you need to keep things constant.

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Originally Posted by Khazul

A much tighter pitch slider - more like those on my Technics SL1200 decks (or at least the M5Gs that I have are quite tight).

Yh, I can see your point.

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Originally Posted by Khazul

Remember what pitch range and tempo mode you are using when you switch it off.

Bit pointless Pioneer spending the extra money. It takes how many seconds to set these up on a CDJ?

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Originally Posted by Khazul

Subframe accurate cue points - i dont find 1/75 sec or whatever it is accurate enough for an absolutely precise drop in without testing the cue point lots.

Someone told me this was more to do with the spec of CD's, rather then a problem with CDJs. Back in the 80's they didn't know what was coming, so they didn't plan for it.

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Originally Posted by Khazul

But in the end, I basically quite like it - especially the fact that you can also accurately scratch cue/launch with it just like vinyl.

The only other deck I've liked using is the Numark one, with the vinyl on top. But they are huge and not as easy to use.

modz1 · #8 (**permalink**) 10th February 2009 , 12:20 PM

Nice thread chaps.. I'll email this over to that nice Mr Dockree over at Pioneer Pro-DJ to see if he has any comments...

EdRyan · #9 (**permalink**) 10th February 2009 , 11:42 PM

You think you can sort me out with a sponsorshi/ambassador deal whilst you're there.

Joking aside, I'd love for him to come and join in. It'd be interesting to pick his brains on how he sees Pioneer's DJ products fairing in the long term against software rivals. Slowly, devices like the MPD40 and and EKS turntable are giving dj's the tactile/hands on control that they've missed from vinyl or CDJ.

Specifically, why Pioneer seem to have stopped working on their DJS software. Which had potential imo, but they've now fallen so far behind on the software front it's unreal. They implemented the CMD 55 as a hardware controller for it, which when I tried both together I was impressed. However, it's been years since they've done anything with it.

sureno · #10 (**permalink**) 10th February 2009 , 11:51 PM

Pioneer are supposedly focusing on their DVJ range as it's there star pupil but pioneer keep things so close to their chest you very rarely hear of a leak till it's out

EdRyan · #11 (**permalink**) 11th February 2009 , 12:51 AM

Even their DVJ products aren't safe. Possibly, the safest market they have are their mixers, which work with software via MIDI. even then, they have some stiff competition from A&H, or even people using separate audio & midi devices.

sureno · #12 (**permalink**) 11th February 2009 , 01:10 AM

yeah i prefer A&H all day long just something robust about them, i do like the look of the eccler though

sureno · #13 (**permalink**) 3rd April 2009 , 11:03 PM

Other cue button went on the cdj, luckily I caught the warranty by 1week

sureno · #14 (**permalink**) 18th August 2009 , 03:56 PM

check it out guys
http://www.djsounds.com/08/17/dawn-of-a-new-species/

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#2 (permalink) 10th February 2009 , 09:38 AM
Khazul Furry Filter Phreak Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Reading, UK Posts: 987	Ive never had a problem with the play/cue button on these - if anything I rate them as among the most precise buttons on anything. What I do however find a little hard to be precise with are the loop buttons - that really could do with a tempo assist. What would I change? Higher quality 'tempo-lock' mode (ie pitch shifter - and same for the DJM-800). mp3 play off a usb stick as well as CD. PC/Mac editor for managing cue points on the SD card between multiple SD cards (ie CD decks) and even for import/export and sharing with software DJ apps (Traktor cues, Lives ASD files etc). MIDI out so the DJM-800 + CDJ-1000 can be used together as a software controller as well. An indication of what pitch change you are applying when turning the rim, rather than just allwasy indicating the pitch from the pitch slider. A much tighter pitch slider - more like those on my Technics SL1200 decks (or at least the M5Gs that I have are quite tight). Remember what pitch range and tempo mode you are using when you switch it off. Subframe accurate cue points - i dont find 1/75 sec or whatever it is accurate enough for an absolutely precise drop in without testing the cue point lots. But in the end, I basically quite like it - especially the fact that you can also accurately scratch cue/launch with it just like vinyl. ______________________________ Studio \| Soundcloud \| Facebook \| BeatPortal
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Khazul Furry Filter Phreak Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Reading, UK Posts: 987	Been battering them have you? The absolute worst buttons I have come across are on numark gear - yuk! utterly horrible!! Like try to cue something thorugh a bath spounge ______________________________ Studio \| Soundcloud \| Facebook \| BeatPortal
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#5 (permalink) 10th February 2009 , 10:20 AM
sureno Forum Idol Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: west london depot Posts: 7,775	yeah i think so but now im very cautious about them, as for the feel of them they are very nice ______________________________ Im a Mac and Windows 7 was not my idea WWW.SURENO.CO.UK www.myspace.com/djsureno http://twitter.com/djsureno
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#6 (permalink) 10th February 2009 , 10:38 AM
Khazul Furry Filter Phreak Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Reading, UK Posts: 987	Must admit Im allways quite gentle with the buttons on the CDJs and tend to use the fader start mode of the DJM-800 quite alot too as I can drop in more accurately with it and get around the frame time quantize issue. ______________________________ Studio \| Soundcloud \| Facebook \| BeatPortal
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#8 (permalink) 10th February 2009 , 12:20 PM
modz1 Administrator Join Date: May 2008 Location: London Posts: 1,621	Nice thread chaps.. I'll email this over to that nice Mr Dockree over at Pioneer Pro-DJ to see if he has any comments... ______________________________ *"The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long.."*
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#9 (permalink) 10th February 2009 , 11:42 PM
EdRyan Son of 'Z' Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 1,630	You think you can sort me out with a sponsorshi/ambassador deal whilst you're there. Joking aside, I'd love for him to come and join in. It'd be interesting to pick his brains on how he sees Pioneer's DJ products fairing in the long term against software rivals. Slowly, devices like the MPD40 and and EKS turntable are giving dj's the tactile/hands on control that they've missed from vinyl or CDJ. Specifically, why Pioneer seem to have stopped working on their DJS software. Which had potential imo, but they've now fallen so far behind on the software front it's unreal. They implemented the CMD 55 as a hardware controller for it, which when I tried both together I was impressed. However, it's been years since they've done anything with it.
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#10 (permalink) 10th February 2009 , 11:51 PM
sureno Forum Idol Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: west london depot Posts: 7,775	Pioneer are supposedly focusing on their DVJ range as it's there star pupil but pioneer keep things so close to their chest you very rarely hear of a leak till it's out ______________________________ Im a Mac and Windows 7 was not my idea WWW.SURENO.CO.UK www.myspace.com/djsureno http://twitter.com/djsureno
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#11 (permalink) 11th February 2009 , 12:51 AM
EdRyan Son of 'Z' Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 1,630	Even their DVJ products aren't safe. Possibly, the safest market they have are their mixers, which work with software via MIDI. even then, they have some stiff competition from A&H, or even people using separate audio & midi devices.
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#12 (permalink) 11th February 2009 , 01:10 AM
sureno Forum Idol Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: west london depot Posts: 7,775	yeah i prefer A&H all day long just something robust about them, i do like the look of the eccler though ______________________________ Im a Mac and Windows 7 was not my idea WWW.SURENO.CO.UK www.myspace.com/djsureno http://twitter.com/djsureno
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#13 (permalink) 3rd April 2009 , 11:03 PM
sureno Forum Idol Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: west london depot Posts: 7,775	Other cue button went on the cdj, luckily I caught the warranty by 1week ______________________________ Im a Mac and Windows 7 was not my idea WWW.SURENO.CO.UK www.myspace.com/djsureno http://twitter.com/djsureno
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#14 (permalink) 18th August 2009 , 03:56 PM
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