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Old 9th December 2008 , 05:20 PM
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Lightbulb Ripping from vinyl, How do you do yours?

When i copied my vinyl collection i would set it up so that the level was around -1db or a tad lower than just normalise (RMS) it and that would pretty much sum it up, however this was not the best ripping imo as they never where that loud, so how do you guys do it, since doing them i have been thinking about different methods and have considered using a little compression and maximisers too, i have a couple of vinyl that will need copying. i will give a few methods a try but was wondering how you guys achieve great results?
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Old 9th December 2008 , 05:49 PM
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Technics deck>Ortofon cartridge> into Technics SH MZ-1200 DJ Mixer> ProFire 2626 A/I>Mac>Peak..

Once the waveform is in Peak, I'll draw out any clicks/pops and top 'n tail the beginning and end. Usually I won't do any major EQ unless the track really is demanding it (preferring to preserve the 'timeline eq'). After this, I'd save a copy of this (AIFF) onto a 'vinyl archive' raw file folder. Then, I would take this file again, run it through the basic setting of a Sonnox Inflator, re-name and save to a seperate folder.

I would use this latter version to 'play out' on a club system (the Inflator helps older tracks stand their ground alongside today's contemporary masters) and also to create an AAC (256 kbps) for my iTunes collection.

AND.. I'd have the whole lot above backed up on 2 separate hard drives.. One lives at my house, the second at a friends (we caretake each others HD's)

Oh, PS, I don't 'normalise' in this process..
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Old 9th December 2008 , 05:54 PM
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lol thats what friends are for hey, well your path looks almost identical to mine barr the mixer, mac model and interface.
so no normalising and how hot is your signal in?

also as i haven't got much experience in playing in large clubs how do 320 mp3s hold up while doing a set, i always prefer wav/aiff but they can be so large at times it makes it difficult to store large quantities
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Old 9th December 2008 , 06:03 PM
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It's a tricky one. I asked the same thing awhile back.

Ideally, you want the loudest signal in possible without clipping. The problem here then is that if you want to use a declick/pop utility, it makes life a lot harder for them. It makes distinguishing wanted and unwanted peaks more difficult, because there is less of a difference in the wanted/unwanted values. As a result, you can be led into using these tools in very extreme ways, and this creates as many problems as it solves. Inparticular, the top end tends to suffer with these kinda tools. They can also have really bad artifacts on some stereo effects as well..
Now, we get onto dynamic range. At best, vinyl reaches 50dB. Modern 24bit digital systems have ranges reaching >100dB. I wont get into it here, but this has allsorts of good and interesting points in terms of noisefloor and SNR.

You are therefore better off backing your levels down slightly, to allow headroom for clicks and crackles. I normally go for -8dB. Once you've removed these, you can start playing with other clever tricks like denoiser filters designed to tackle things like hum,rumble and low level broadband noise. These will all help clean the sound, or at least your ears will think so.

You can then start using compressors and eqs to adjust the percieved level and tone of the recording.

Favourite tools for this for me are:

RX Izotope
Waves X Click/Crackle/Noise
PSP MasterQ
Logic Compressor & Ad Limiter

There are better things to use like the Sonnox inflator and other transient based tools, but I can't afford them for now. And I question how much they'd be worth it here, bearing mind how poor vinyl is to begin with.
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Technics deck>Ortofon cartridge> into Technics SH MZ-1200 DJ Mixer> ProFire 2626 A/I>Mac>Peak..
More or less the same - 1210M5G (reset the tempo) with Ortofon Electro cartridge and (shock horror) into my DJM-800 mixer, then digital out from that into my computer via SPDIF. I normally record at about -10db or so straight into Ableton Live - the extra headroom is to allow for the odd spike from dust etc and ideally avoid that causing full on clipping. Next I'll level it with the UAD precision limiter and job done.

If I did it alot then might be tempted by that waves plugin for pop/scratch removal, but its very expensive for occasional use. I dont know of any other cheaper and good vinyl cleanup plugins - usually waveform editing is enough for the odd problem if you clean the record first and let it dry properly.

On choice of cartridge - definately not one of the flattest cartidges around, but I do like the resulting sound from it.
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320 MP3's and 256 AAC's hold up fine Sureno - I do play stuff on full frequency AIFF and Apple Lossless sometimes (for whatever reasons..)

Recording into Logic, basically, never getting a 'red' db indicator on input..
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http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/2005/06/22/noise.html

This is a good page about it

Still can't find the program I was gonna try out. It's made by a mathematician, but is s'posed to be quite good.
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Nice advice guys, i run into Peak6 too, just prefer it over logic for ripping and editing tags
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http://www.maths.anu.edu.au/~briand/..._original.html

This is the guy. Have a listen..
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Nice advice guys, i run into Peak6 too, just prefer it over logic for ripping and editing tags
...what about soundtrack Pro???
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...what about soundtrack Pro???
yeah its ok just prefer Peak never use ST pro and my workflow is much better in Peak
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yeah its ok just prefer Peak never use ST pro and my workflow is much better in Peak
Alrighty...I just don't hear much about STP2, maybe most Logic users use Peak.
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Alrighty...I just don't hear much about STP2, maybe most Logic users use Peak.
Peak is supposed to be the equivalent to sony soundforge so it's pretty good, whether it's equal im not sure. ST pro is greatly overlooked, yes but from what i heard it used to be really buggy so people stayed away from it, so may be the stigma stayed with it and it never built its rep back up again
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Soundtrack Pro is one of the most unhelpful,clunky,shoddy apps I've ever come across.

It makes everything more difficult then it should be.
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Soundtrack Pro is one of the most unhelpful,clunky,shoddy apps I've ever come across.

It makes everything more difficult then it should be.
There's your answer than M
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