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Old 8th June 2012 , 07:28 PM
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Got a problem guys that i can't figure out how to fix or if it even can be fixed.

I like to dial in fader automation using my mouse, pulling the fader either up or down. The same applies when automate plug in parameters.

The problem is, when i move a fader using the mouse, it moves from say..0 then down to -12 then -18 then -22 and so on. Moving in steps of around 6 or 8 at a time. The same applies to panning. I move the little thing left and it moves left 5 steps, then to 12 and so on.

Is there any way i can change the settings so that i can move parameters one step at a time only. That way i can dial in really precise automation without having to resort to the other way of doing automation with those little dots on the lines?

I actually bought one of the new Cubase channel controllers on the market with the touch fader, thinking that that would be more precise. I couldn't be more wrong! Not only is it LESS precise, it's sometimes completely unresponsive. Piece of crap from steinberg that i will be sending back to DV for a refund. Thank god for the 30 day thing!

Anyway, if anyone can tell me if i can change my settings on Cubase to have parameters move one single step at a time and how to do it, I'd be more greatful!

Thank You!
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no idea about the cubase question but (in protools) I'll often dial in roughly what I want with a fader and then adjust later using the pencil tool.
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no idea about the cubase question but (in protools) I'll often dial in roughly what I want with a fader and then adjust later using the pencil tool.
Aye, the pencil tool (or at least the equivalent) is available to use in Cubase too but i find it too fiddly.

It's not just about automation either though to be honest. Sometimes i may want to bring down the depth of a Reverb for example but i only want to bring it down a tiny amount but when i pull it down using the mouse, it comes down my a few values instead of just one, it makes getting the exact amount impossible so i end up either settling for slightly more than i want or slightly less. Just general tweaking things here and there, all the values or steps of things don't seem to move in ones. It's a few or even 7 or 8 steps at a time.

You would think there would be something that you can change that allows you to adjust parameters by a single value or single steps.

I've checked the pdf manual but i can't seem to find a solution.
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Sorry but I don't know Cubase. In Logic you can drag the fader or knob or double click on the number, the value, to get an edit box where you can type in the exact number or decimal fraction that you want. I would expect Cubase to have something similar.
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Sorry but I don't know Cubase. In Logic you can drag the fader or knob or double click on the number, the value, to get an edit box where you can type in the exact number or decimal fraction that you want. I would expect Cubase to have something similar.
Yep, I'm pretty sure you CAN do that in Cubase but it's a pain in the ar$e!
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It's been quite a while since I used any version of Cubase however from memory I'm sure there is a keyboard short-cut something like shift+left click/drag to gain greater control/accuracy over fader/pan/param's allowing for tighter increments of say +/- 1 step. As far as the automation accuracy is concerned it does sound like you have the resolution set pretty low. I would hazard a guess that you can increase this somewhere in the settings page.


EDIT: I've just had a quick shifty through the version 6 operation manual and in particular the section dealing with manual writing of automation data and it does indeed use the shift + drag/hold approach which applies to automation as well. It goes on to say that on release of the shift + drag the resolution or number of automation events will be reduced however the basic shape of the curve will be the same. Quoting directly from the manual 'This 'thinning out' of events is governed by the Reduction Level setting in the Automation Settings section of the Automation Preferences.' I hope this helps or at least points you in the right direction.





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Hi piano
Right click on a channel (to the left ) and select show all used automation.

This will display lanes of used automation.
Find the controller you want to edit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKwPm40URlg

Have a play with the line tool here and you`ll discover what you can do for clean incremental automation/volume changes.

I hope that helps.......
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Hi piano
Right click on a channel (to the left ) and select show all used automation.

This will display lanes of used automation.
Find the controller you want to edit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKwPm40URlg

Have a play with the line tool here and you`ll discover what you can do for clean incremental automation/volume changes.

I hope that helps.......
Yeah, i know that way of doing it mate but i don't like it. Way too fiddly. Besides, it's not just for writing automation. It's for controlling ALL parameters in general. When i tweak a volume knob or a depth knob or whatever it may be, i want it to move one single step either way. I hate how one move of the mouse moves everything by 3 or 4 steps (sometimes more) at a time. It's also one of the reasons i am sending back the Steinberg CMC-CH channel controller i bought. It has a virtual "touch" fader and i thought that with that, i could manipulate the fader to move in single steps and also easily dial in fader automation just by moving my finger up and down in real time. I was wrong though, the fader was like a cheap touch screen phone that never bloody does what you want it to do. Sometimes it was completely unresponsive. Piece of utter crap.

Thanks for trying to help though. I haven't got around to trying what weaver has suggested though but I'll give that a try. I find it hard to believe that things can't be manipulated one step at a time.
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Holding down the shift key worked
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