Vista 64 problem with VST plugins

[hoserlover]

Greeting to all and Happy New Year,

My problem this year is getting a new computer and trying to set it up for recording purposes. So far Vista 64 is giving me nothing but head-aches (It's worse than my wife nagging me for the past three years). After I installed my emu1212m sound card, fired up the drivers (four times in order for it to kick in properly), configured my Patchmix DSP for Sonar 7 (refer to aformentioned head-ache), I was ready to install a whole slew of VST plug-ins. Here's where I'm at now......Vista won't allow 8/10's of my wave files to plug-in properly and when they do the waves are nothing but sterile waste-lands......"shooting blanks"!!! As an operating system Vista has not impressed me at all.....More like frustrated the hell out of me!!
Question? Has anybody out got any solutions to my problem? I've got three days left on my return policy for the computer at future shop. Should I take it back and go elsewhere to get a new computer with Windows XP pro or should I hold on to the computer and get someone to re-image my computer with windows XP pro? OR even better.....can anybody offer any suggestions to get my VST wave plug-ins to work on Vista 64?

Long winded I know. Forgive me.

Hoserlover

[Dave Boulden]

There is still only very limited support for 64-bit Vista, and where it is supported the software is not yet that mature. You shouldn't have anywhere near as many problems with 32-bit Vista as nearly every manufacturer now has Vista compatible drivers and code for current versions of software and hardware.

Unless you absolutely must have a 64-bit OS for some reason, stick with 32-bit for the time-being, whether that be Vista or XP.

[sphelan]

Good advice Dave. While in theory 64-bit is great news, in practice we are still not quite ready of it in terms of our vsts! This has to be a consideration for anyone tempted with a Synergy for example...go 64 or stay 32?

[hoserlover]

Yepper,

I'm sending it back and getting 32 bit.

Thanks again,

hoserlover

[bscully]

Originally Posted by sphelan

Good advice Dave. While in theory 64-bit is great news, in practice we are still not quite ready of it in terms of our vsts! This has to be a consideration for anyone tempted with a Synergy for example...go 64 or stay 32?

This is a good point Sphelan. Users must consider all angels when considering a leap to a 64 bit OS. We have the big guns who have huge development budget, and hugely powerful software that have already got 64 bit support.

Cubase, Cakewalk, Vienna, NI Kontakt, but this is not the norm.

The nature of these programs or the philosophys and target market means they have to have stable 64 bit. Not many people will feel the need for this yet though.

[Churst]

Can I say... if you really want to go 32-bit then I would fully recommend going all the way back to XP.

Vista 32-bit is not as well supported as some of you seem to be convinced. It is in fact more buggy and less stable than Vista 64.
I agree there are more 32-bit drivers out there, but as bscully has already said there are loads of high end bits of software that run fully 64-bit, including their VST's.

I would actually like to start a thread to explain everything there is about the transfer to 64-bit, but there is no area on this forum for OS's and real computing chat. In fact I would like to re-educate a lot of people's misplaced beliefs in 64-bit Vista (not XP 64-bit - that was genuinely rubbish!)

[Dave Boulden]

Originally Posted by Churst

Vista 32-bit is not as well supported as some of you seem to be convinced. It is in fact more buggy and less stable than Vista 64.

Sorry, but I really can't agree with you there. I would say my Vista 32-bit setup is now as stable as my previousd XP Pro set-up was... the same could not be said of a 64 bit Vista given the sheer lack of mature 64-bit drivers and software.

[Khazul]

Originally Posted by Churst

Vista 32-bit is not as well supported as some of you seem to be convinced. It is in fact more buggy and less stable than Vista 64.

Where do you get this belief from? Do you have any pointers etc?

By all means start a thread on the subject - I guess this section is as good as any

The fundamental problem with Vista 64 unless you have a driver for your hardware - you cant use it period - neither my audio interface (Yamaha 01x) nor my primary synth (Virus TI) have Vista 64 drivers, which makes it pretty useless - not MSs fault. Ive had Vista 64 as a dual boot (with XP) on this PC since the day the RTM was released - its been completely useless and barely used.

[mutilatedlip]

Happy New Year everyone.

I can't fault Vista 64 running with Cubase 4 (32 bit version!).

My system is very very steady, and the drivers for all my cards, etc. are working perfectly. The only issue I currently have is that there are no drivers from Access for the TI, which is gutting given that it's my workhorse.

However, everything else

[allsorrowsjoy]

I cannot stand Vista. I really can't.

Vista is what turned me to the Mac side.

[sphelan]

Originally Posted by allsorrowsjoy

I cannot stand Vista. I really can't.

Vista is what turned me to the Mac side.

Not exactly the same for me but certainly the final nail in the coffin!

[Churst]

You can't say that drivers are not "mature" as you put it. Vista 64 has been out for in excess of 2 years and drivers for everything that I own have been updated 10's of times over that period and have become hugely reliable. My system just DOES NOT CRASH.

I fix computers and diagnose computing problems for everyone I know. People running XP very rarely have any problems these days. The only people who I've seen in practice having problems with Windows Vista, and it's reliability, seem to be those running 32bit.

The thing is that Microsoft see the 64 bit version of Vista as being very important to the future of modern computing. So it seems natural that they focus their attention on that.

I also spend a lot of time on another forum (not sure if I'm allowed to link it) for the PC obsessed. I have spent many hours reading about those peoples experiences with both systems and 64 bit always comes out on top.

Plus why would you limit your system memory to 3.7GB?

P.S. (the more ranty, less relevant bit)
It seems to me that among the music fraternity there is just general hostility towards the apparently "scary" move to 64 bit. I read a piece in Sound on Sound, not all that long ago, that claimed that 64 bit computing has little or no benefit to audio production on computers. That shocked me somewhat, being as every single other computer based industry on the planet is embracing the phenomenal power enhancements that 64 bit computing will bring.

[Dave Boulden]

Don't get me wrong... I have no hostility towards going 64-bit... in fact quite the opposite, I'm positively chomping at the bit!

Vista might well have been out for a couple of years, but Vista drivers were slow to appear for music equipment and Vista64 drivers followed even more slowly after those. It takes many months or even a year or so of having drivers "out in the wild" before most of the bugs and incompatibilities are ironed out and they become mature. Many items still don't have Vista64 drivers. You are fortunate to have mature Vista64 drivers for all your kit... but you are certainly in the minority. Out of curiosity, what else are you running besides Live 7, Remote Zero SL and an FA-101... it might be useful to collate a list of gear and software that people have stable under Vista64.

... and I'm not surprised you get more Vista32 problems than Vista64, what exactly is the ratio of those with Vista64 to those with Vista32??

On a positive note, it looks like some of the music industry are choosing this Winter NAMM to release new Vista64 capable updates and even new version of software products... could be an opportune time to dip a toe in the water.

[Churst]

Peoples perceptions of it are definitely moving forward, but I would have liked it to happen sooner really.

I think a list of reliable 64bit gear and programs would def be a good idea.

To be honest that's all I have at the moment. I am but young!

[Dave Boulden]

Originally Posted by Churst

Peoples perceptions of it are definitely moving forward, but I would have liked it to happen sooner really.

Completely agree with you there!