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Old 5th September 2008 , 08:04 AM
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What's ways does everyone record their bass?

Do you prefer to DI, Mic up your amp, or a mixture of both?

Does anyone use any modelling software such as the Amplitube SVX?
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Old 5th September 2008 , 08:32 AM
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DI + Ampeg SVX, just like you've said. SVX is one of my all-time favourite plug-ins. I don't understand how they can get bass amp modelling so right and yet guitar amp modelling still isn't there yet.

I have a Radial ProD2 DI which is good, but lately I've been likin' my SSL Alpha Channel with a bit of VHD dialled in. I can EQ on the way in too then if I want to.

Occasionally too, I'll patch a dbx 160a into the insert on the Alpha Channel. Usually I'll compress afterwards (Massey CT4 is my first software choice for that) but the dbx can add a bit of colour. Sometimes I'm in a hurry, too, if I've got a silly turnaround on a cue, so I'll go in crossing my fingers that I think I know what I want from the start and compress it for both colour and safety.

FWIW my main bass is a Fender MIM Classic 50's P-bass. I also have a Yamaha BB414 if I want a more J-bass feel/tone, but it gets used less often.

An A-Designs REDDI is now on my shopping list though too... after Trev's shootout and some further info it looks like it would be a great addition to my rig.
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Dare I say it??? My Focusrite Voicemaster Platinum has proved to produce an excellent DI'd bass sound for me.
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On almost all occasions I DI into my MW1 and then either straight into my DAW via converters or via a pre first (usually great river). On most occasions I simultaneously mult the signal (using another MW1 output) and take it through the reddi and/or great river and then into my daw. I occasionally mult a third signal out to an amp and speaker which I may mic (often with either a subkick or EV RE20 though the MD421 has had that duty as has the KM69).

The above gives me two (or sometimes even three) signals in the DAW which I can then process differently and blend together to hit the right spot in the mix (this also allows me to easily change the balance between different sections of the song).
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I DI directly into the Focusrite Saffire and then have Guitar Rig 3 - it only has a handfull of bass sounds and I don't often use it though.

Having followed Trevs Bass Shootout I am reconsidering the effectivness of the Saffire.

Would people rate the Amplitube SVX better than GR3?
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I intend to use a Sansamp Programmable Bass DI pedal that I've recently bought.

I absolutely love the sound of this thing, and it's truly a great bit of kit for the money.

Interesting to hear the different opinions.

Like Trev, I feel that a decent preamp would provide it with an added warmth that I'm really after.

But the Sansamp into my Mackie Onyx (which I presume has its haters ) gives me a pretty good sound, with both the clean and fx signals on separate channels.

I only have a little Orange Crush 35B amp for the bass (which is a special edition P-Bass Active) which I don't really feel would be worth mic'ing up.

May give it a try though.
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Would people rate the Amplitube SVX better than GR3?
I would! I've got both. SVX, while only Ampeg-flavoured, does what it does very well indeed.
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Old 5th September 2008 , 09:17 AM
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Would people rate the Amplitube SVX better than GR3?

I'd definitely rate the Amplitube above Guitar Rig. They have really nailed it, which suprised me as I'm no great fan of Amplitube from what I've heard.

In fact, the only software I rate with regards to modelling is Revalver which - when combined with some custom IRs - is frighteningly close.

I love the Space Echo on Guitar Rig but don't really like the amp sounds.
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Guys is that Amplitube SVX or Ampeg SVX for bass?
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Guys is that Amplitube SVX or Ampeg SVX for bass?
I think we're talking about the same thing - there's only one 'SVX' product.

I believe the correct name is Ampeg SVX. Sorry if I called it Amplitube SVX... but it is 'powered by Amplitube.'
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I think we're talking about the same thing - there's only one 'SVX' product.

I believe the correct name is Ampeg SVX. Sorry if I called it Amplitube SVX... but it is 'powered by Amplitube.'
No worries Just though I might be mistaken when I couldn't find Amplitube SVX.
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Sorry for sounding like an old record guys but if you do a bit of work at the outset and capture the sound you want going in you'll need much less of this modelling plugin malarkey. I tend to use modelling type plugins (or even just ozone trash) to add a bit of distortion on just the high end of the frequency spectrum to help the bass cut through a busy mix.

Shane I don't know if your voicemaster has a DI and a preamp input but if so (and the preamp has a transformer) it is worth trying going in via DI, bringing the signal out again and then going back in through a (preferably transformer balanced) preamp to get to your daw. It'll fatten up the sound nicely.

will add some tricks for processing bass here in a bit.
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Shane I don't know if your voicemaster has a DI and a preamp input but if so (and the preamp has a transformer) it is worth trying going in via DI, bringing the signal out again and then going back in through a (preferably transformer balanced) preamp to get to your daw. It'll fatten up the sound nicely.
Trev, "you must have me confused with someone else".

It's Dave who said he has the voicemaster.

I've just got a Saffire! But if you are thinking of giving away any of all that equipment you got...hell, "you can call me AL"!!
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Sorry for sounding like an old record guys but if you do a bit of work at the outset and capture the sound you want going in you'll need much less of this modelling plugin malarkey. I tend to use modelling type plugins (or even just ozone trash) to add a bit of distortion on just the high end of the frequency spectrum to help the bass cut through a busy mix.
I know you've got a room full of awesome proper bass amps, but have you actually tried the Ampeg SVX plug-in? For me it's not about needing it, it's about wanting it and using it as the reason for DI'ing bass because I know I can get an amazing sound with it if the DI'd bass sound is clean & recorded well. Far from malarkey, I think it's an exceptionally valuable tool and finals I've recorded from it have made it onto an extremely large percentage of my released work.
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Yep... me with the Voicemaster, and it does have a seperate DI input. To be honest... I'm actually really happy with the sound I get with it... gives me a really nice tone on my Toby Custom Pro 5 string... and our bass player really likes the sound too with his basses. Having said that... I have a FiveFish stereo SC-1 kit (with the optional DI modules) winging it's way to me as we speak and am looking forward to giving that a good go once I've built it (if I can ever manage to find a good aluminum instrument case for it anywhere).
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