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Old 15th August 2011 , 08:41 PM
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From the little I know, the choice between having the slope in front or behind is simple: face the slope so that the higher ceiling is behind you.

Why I am not sure, I have just read such a recommendation so many times. It might be that sounds will bounce towards the back of the room, where (1) there will be sufficient trapping to stop them bouncing back to you and be a problem, and (2) it leaves the monitors free of other reflected sound and should help you get a true and clear stereo representation from the monitors. That's my guess.
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Old 16th August 2011 , 06:43 AM
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From the little I know, the choice between having the slope in front or behind is simple: face the slope so that the higher ceiling is behind you.

Why I am not sure, I have just read such a recommendation so many times. It might be that sounds will bounce towards the back of the room, where (1) there will be sufficient trapping to stop them bouncing back to you and be a problem, and (2) it leaves the monitors free of other reflected sound and should help you get a true and clear stereo representation from the monitors. That's my guess.
Yeah, i think that will definitely be the way to go. The only slight problem with that is that the right hand side corner behind me would be where the door is. That could be a problem but we'll just have to work something out. Also, if i set up with the slope in front of my listening position, how do i treat it? Do i just install a cloud above me as normal and that will do or will i actually have to treat the slope?

I'm sure i will find a decent solution eventually. I have been working in a small square room for the past couple of years, set up pushed to one side of the room, wooden walls and ceiling, tiled flooring and no acoustic treatment whatsoever and i have got by not too bad. Still, i am certain things will sound better in a treated room. I should be in the house for quite a bit longer too so i really want to have it set up as good as possible.

The lower window you can see in the pics is going to be blocked off. That window annoys me. I am happy enough with the one above but i am blocking off that lower one. It will be blocked off with my workstation anyway.

Thanks for the advice mate, really appreciate it.
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The topic new apartment studio setup over at Gearslutz is about a room with a similar ceiling to yours. It might be useful to learn from the advice given there.
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The topic new apartment studio setup over at Gearslutz is about a room with a similar ceiling to yours. It might be useful to learn from the advice given there.
Thanks Lester, I'll check that out!
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Here's a better pic of the wall i am intending to set up against. My monitors will be facing away from this wall and i will be facing to it. It seems to be my best option but will those windows cause any problems, especially the one on the slope? The bottom window i am going to have covered with a roller blind but what about the window on the slope? Will that cause me problems. Is this really the best wall to set up against?

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ahhh. I see. Sorry, jumped the gun earlier. Yes I'd say try facing that slope in front wall. As I said earlier, treat corners mirror points and the whole back wall with broadband trapping. I dont think the window will cause any significant problem. No different to a control room window really. Everything other thana custom designed room is always going to have some issue or another. It's really just about making the best of what you have. It looks like you should be able to get something entirely useable out of that.
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Cool. I was getting worked up over those windows before! You've set my mind at ease. Thanks fellas.
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And another similar room with one slope being discussed over at Gearslutz, here.
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Thanks Lester. It seems that Guy has been given the same advice as me, to face the slope. That is exactly what i am going to do. I'm going to buy GIK's room kit of 4 bass traps, one monster bass trap for the back wall and 3 acoustic panels for mirror points and one for a cloud. There is one thing i am not sure of though. The 4 bass traps are supposed to be for the 2 back corners and 2 front corners but i am wondering if i would be better putting 2 on the back corners and the other 2 behind the monitors instead of the front corners? Most people seem to have panels behind their monitors. In GIK's picture for the room kit, it shows the back of the monitors facing the 2 front corners but my monitors wont be angled that far so i am wondering if i should forget the front corners and put the panels where the back of the monitors will actually be pointing.

Here is GIK's pic. As you can see, the back of the monitors are facing the front corners where the 2 bass traps are but because of the size of my room, the back of my monitors wont be angled in as far as that. So like i say, i am wondering if i should place the panels where the back of the monitors will be pointing instead of the front corners. My workstation will be against the front wall as opposed to having the gap there is in this pic.

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Don't forget the first reflection points from the front wall.

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... i am wondering if i would be better putting ... 2 behind the monitors instead of the front corners?
As I understand it (which means Trevor and other will know better than me), the bass traps are placed in the corners because that is where bass collects and so that it where bass traps are most effective.

Where you place your monitors will be where they sound best. Despite all the best calculators on the web it does seem that the exact location for monitors is an art, achieved by a starting position and moving them a few inches at a time and listening and testing again and again. The more geeky acousticians mention trying 30+ plus small movements to locate the best position. You don't want to be in a null, where reflected bass waves are cancelling each other out, nor in a peak where they double up and accentuate the bass. And don't forget to have the tweeters at ear level.
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Yeah, those points you highlighted don't seem to be catered for with "room kit 1". I wonder why that is? That is what i have been wondering about, because i usually always see people having panels on the front wall behind the monitors.

Perhaps I'll just buy a couple of extra panels later on.
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Another thing (not urgent though as i am not in the house yet, never mind set up) but, what audio can i use to test and what am i listening for? Am i as well just playing some of my projects and moving things around and judging by my ears alone or is there any audio i can get a hold of and instructions on what i should be listening for exactly? I really want to get this room as good as i can by the end of the year and certainly before the baby arrives and eats up all my spare cash lol

Obviously i'm never going to get perfection but if i can get at least a half decent sounding room, I'll be happy.
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Corners first. They are the most important because, as Lester says, that's where the bass builds up. Then reflection points. Of all the reflection points the ones behind your monitors are probably the least important. Why? Because everything above the bass frequencies is directional and, the tweeters don't point out of the back.
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Corners first. They are the most important because, as Lester says, that's where the bass builds up. Then reflection points. Of all the reflection points the ones behind your monitors are probably the least important. Why? Because everything above the bass frequencies is directional and, the tweeters don't point out of the back.
Ahh, i see! I'll probably still buy a couple of panels later on for behind the monitors but thanks for clearing that one up!

I'm going to buy the small boom stands with the corner bass traps so i don't have to find a way of hanging them in the corner. Plus, the door to the room is in what will be my back right hand corner so i need to be able to move the trap that i am putting in that corner. So when i am recording/mixing, i will close the door and place a 244 trap on it's stand in the corner where the door is and move it away again when i need to leave the room. Convenient them having those stands!
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