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Old 27th August 2009 , 12:09 PM
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Hello chums,

I'm considering using a corner of a room to construct my stusio when I move shortly, this picture illustrates the idea I have :-




Is this likely to cause me any issues if I place some soundproofing directly behind the screen/monitors therefore creating two 45deg angles just to either side of the monitors?
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Old 27th August 2009 , 08:48 PM
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If you were trying to come up with the worst possible set-up for your room... You would have just found it. Bass builds up in corners. It will be almost impossible to correct if that's where you put your monitors. Can you post a plan of your room with dimensions and we may be able to make a better suggestion.
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If you were trying to come up with the worst possible set-up for your room... You would have just found it. Bass builds up in corners. It will be almost impossible to correct if that's where you put your monitors. Can you post a plan of your room with dimensions and we may be able to make a better suggestion.

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If the remaining 45deg corners in this kind of setup is still a bad move then i'll just dump the idea. It was only a thought to try and save a bit of space.

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If the remaining 45deg corners in this kind of setup is still a bad move then i'll just dump the idea. It was only a thought to try and save a bit of space.

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What about if that corner fill was full of rockwool covered in material? still not great but surely absorbing bass
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What about if that corner fill was full of rockwool covered in material? still not great but surely absorbing bass

Yep I could do that, but if it's too much of a compromise I don't need to make then I won't bother.

That is to say if it's just a bad idea full stop to put it there!

I'm just looking at options of where I can put my setup on the assumption I won't have a dedicated room for it.
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Yep I could do that, but if it's too much of a compromise I don't need to make then I won't bother.

That is to say if it's just a bad idea full stop to put it there!

I'm just looking at options of where I can put my setup on the assumption I won't have a dedicated room for it.
Well it isnt the best place tbh dude as trev has pointed out. but on the flipside my room isnt the best due to the roof and the fact that its effective one big open room with the dinning room downstairs, im sure the pitched roof is acting as a source of too much bass but theres nowt i can do more really just gotta get used to it. so far this room has been the best ive had, i think there's a lot to be said for just getting used to not having ideal situations and just learning how what you have translates.

If you can use somewhere else if not id say put the biggest trap you can in that corner, keep the monitors off the wall as far as poss and get treatment on the reflection points as best you can.
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Well it isnt the best place tbh dude as trev has pointed out. but on the flipside my room isnt the best due to the roof and the fact that its effective one big open room with the dinning room downstairs, im sure the pitched roof is acting as a source of too much bass but theres nowt i can do more really just gotta get used to it. so far this room has been the best ive had, i think there's a lot to be said for just getting used to not having ideal situations and just learning how what you have translates.

If you can use somewhere else if not id say put the biggest trap you can in that corner, keep the monitors off the wall as far as poss and get treatment on the reflection points as best you can.
Ok cheers.

I'll have to buy the next house based around the studio I think
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I meant post a diagram of the whole room and indicate doors and windows and what furniture you have. I'd really advise avoiding that set up in the corner if you possibly can. In addition to the bass buildup behind your monitors if there's a corner the same behind you it's gonna focus those waves right back at you effectively doubling your modal problems. Ideally you want the speakers firing down the longest length of the room and want your sitting position to be 38 percent of the length of the room. Yeah you might have to make compromises from the perfect room but I strongly advise not to do the corner thing.
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I will completely dump the idea in that case.

I can't create a diagram of the room yet as it's a hypothetical idea that I had. I'm going to be buying a bigger property in the next few months and I'm already taking the studio position into consideration as my gear pile has grown considerably over the last couple of months.

I do need to swot up on positioning the setup and the acoustical treatments of the room too. It's not something i've paid attention to up till this point as i've known i'd have to move it all shortly anyway.

Thanks for the advice
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I'm going to come late to the party here.

The reason you don't want to set up there is because of the proximity effect that occurs when speakers are set up too close to a hard boundary surface. This effect is additive based on how many hard boundary layers are in close proximity. So, where you might only have a 3dB build up when a speaker is close to a single wall, you might have a 12dB build up when a speaker is in close proximity to three hard boundary layers like in a tri-corner area. Treating the corner you're facing will help a lot, but you'll still have to push against problems you wouldn't not have if there were only one flat wall in front of you.

Does that make sense?

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I'm going to come late to the party here.

The reason you don't want to set up there is because of the proximity effect that occurs when speakers are set up too close to a hard boundary surface. This effect is additive based on how many hard boundary layers are in close proximity. So, where you might only have a 3dB build up when a speaker is close to a single wall, you might have a 12dB build up when a speaker is in close proximity to three hard boundary layers like in a tri-corner area. Treating the corner you're facing will help a lot, but you'll still have to push against problems you wouldn't not have if there were only one flat wall in front of you.

Does that make sense?

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Makes perfect sense and thanks for the advice.

My issues were really about the amount of gear I'd been accumulating versus the amount of available space. I've done the only thing I could right now and completely pare down the amount of space i'll need for the next year or so, and therefore allow the space itself to be far more suited for the purpose when I move. I might even have something in the budget for treatment

Thanks again.
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